Jebus!!!!!!!!!!

Just got back from a week's vacation- thanks for the great discussion on the evils of HK distributors and the merits of bullpups..........

Anyone have anything else to offer regarding my original question????

Paul
 
blaxsun said:
Respectively let's just agree to disagree on some of your points. When it comes to black rifles, it's either non-restricted/unlimited or restricted/range - so there's a huge advantage with the former. I believe I did suggest that bullpups were perfectly fine for recreational use; as for competition or service, I imagine it's predominantly or exclusively dominated by ARs.
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You're right, the majority of black rifles at a match are AR's. The matches themselves are dominated by skilled shooters, the gear plays a small role.

TDC
 
TDC said:
You're right, the majority of black rifles at a match are AR's. The matches themselves are dominated by skilled shooters, the gear plays a small role.

TDC
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Can't argue with that. Your right as I have seen someone with a decked out $3000 tuned AR put in their place by a skilled shooter with a $400 norinco.
 
Hey Can can, you missed the 2 competing SL8s for sale a few months back. Prices were around $1700 shipped. I was considering getting a second one! :D
 
TDC said:
For predator work a bullpup is fine. For competition or service, its not. Seeing as how all bullpups are/were designed as service rifles first, they're failures.

TDC
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There is a good deal of armed forced using bullpups so I think your failure comment is a tad overblown.

As for the number of competition shooters who use the AR-15 platform I think that has more to do with numbers of rifles actually out there and the fact the platform has been so developed by so many people for so long than superiority of platform.

I believe that if the same amount of money and development time had gone into every bullpup and if they were adopted by the US and other NATO countries you would likely see a lot more bullpups in competition.

SO I don't think its a platform or layout failure more than a simple numbers game.
 
7.92X33Kurz said:
There is a good deal of armed forced using bullpups so I think your failure comment is a tad overblown.

As for the number of competition shooters who use the AR-15 platform I think that has more to do with numbers of rifles actually out there and the fact the platform has been so developed by so many people for so long than superiority of platform.

I believe that if the same amount of money and development time had gone into every bullpup and if they were adopted by the US and other NATO countries you would likely see a lot more bullpups in competition.

SO I don't think its a platform or layout failure more than a simple numbers game.
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I'll briefly discuss the lack of merit in a bullpup rifle.

Not ambidextrous
difficult loading/reloading
fixed length of pull
prone shooting can be difficult due to rear placement of magazine
Some have ridiculous mechanical offset
Clearing stoppages(type 3 or worse) is problematic
Lack of aftermarket support

You are however correct, that due to the insane amount of aftermarket and OEM goodies available for the AR system, it tends to be more prevalent. However, accessories alone do not make a system popular or successful. The system is proven, both in form and function. Its reliable, and its ergonomic. Not to mention its ambidextrous from the box and can be made 100% ambi with accessories.

As for militaries using bullpup rifles. I can think of two, and a half. The Austrians and the Australians, and the Israeli's but they make up the half as not all of their forces are running Tavors. Then again, not all of Australia'a forces are running AUG's?

There's no doubt some bullpup rifles are reliable and fairly ergonomic. The problem lies in operation. As mentioned, they present problems when dealing with stoppages and they're not ambi or LOP adjustable. Both are major issues when discussing issued service rifles. From that standpoint, bullpups as a whole are failures.

TDC
 
TDC said:
... As for militaries using bullpup rifles. I can think of two, and a half. The Austrians and the Australians, and the Israeli's but they make up the half as not all of their forces are running Tavors. Then again, not all of Australia'a forces are running AUG's? ...
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Forgot China, UK, France, South Africa, Singapore. Some other but in limited roles / quantities.
 
driller212 said:
http://www.shootingcentre.com/catalog/firearms/non-restricted/centrefire/hk-sl8-223-rem -$2200

http://www.wanstallsonline.com/product.php?productid=854 -$2400

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/12094/Heckler-and-Koch-SL8-4-233-Rifle-Black.aspx -$2300

All I could find for now, the shooting centre price was the cheapest.

Hope that helps.

J
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Reliable has them for $2400 as well. They're not listed as in stock, but they're not listed as out of stock either, so...

Del Selins is also $2400


I think the trouble for you is that the number of SL8s in-country just isn't that large, so the number on sale at any one time is going to be lower. Maybe look again when all those Xmas credit card bills start coming due ;)
 
Nic3500 said:
Forgot China, UK, France, South Africa, Singapore. Some other but in limited roles / quantities.
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Sh*t, I completely forgot about the UK and France. Didn't know about China, SA or Singapore. Then again, The L85 is a joke, The FAMAS isn't bad but still suffers the same issues as all bullpups. China runs a ton of different stuff, and both Singapore and SA (as well as Britain) do not run bullpups exclusively.

TDC
 
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