I remember a number of years before Jeff's death he said in his opinion the ultimate challenge would be 20 shots in 20 seconds on a 20 inch circle at 1000 yds... any action, any cal.... I do not beleive there's ANYONE out there anywhere that can do it... maybe around 90 seconds
Jeff Cooper's challenge
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a semi would not be enough of an edge over any other action to accomplish that task... at the sniper championships in Texas a few years running the fastest shooter there did 5 ( accurate) rounds in 14 seconds (with a bolt gun and yes there were gas guns in it) and 10 accurate rounds in 36 seconds....
You might be able to do it in 40-45seconds if it was semi auto with 7 round mags.. The 20 inch is not a problem even on a windy day,even shooting fast is better on a windy day. But i know i can't cycle through a bolt that quickly.. Wish i had a gun that could accurately cycle that quickly, i'd sure try it.
I don't think it could be done without a 20 shot mag!!
I don't think it could be done without a 20 shot mag!!
That's one hell of a challenge - wonder if it's been done? I know from experience that it's tough to cycle a bolt action at an aimed round per second at 100 yds, let alone 1000 yds. But even at a round per minute, point of impact seems to change in a 20 round string from the barrel heating up (aiming for that 10" circle). Might be able to do it with 2x 10 round mags, with assistance, and go for 3 seconds per shot.
I always associated Jeff Cooper with handguns, not rifles. I'll have to check on that some more - thanks for that tidbit.
I always associated Jeff Cooper with handguns, not rifles. I'll have to check on that some more - thanks for that tidbit.
There are rifles capable of this, but the Canadian 4 mag changes would put it over the 20 second time limit. Now this test down south (USA) where 20 round mags are the norm, it might be do-able.
Heres the first man to do it. I think he took home $5000 for his troubles too!
http://www.dlsports.com/npage9.html
Heres the first man to do it. I think he took home $5000 for his troubles too!
http://www.dlsports.com/npage9.html
That sounds pretty space cadety to me, but I am sure there will be rob arm xcr owners claiming to do it.
If my math is right, you would just about be touching off your third shot as the first impacted the paper. I am not sure how mag changes, bolt operation, or wind correction would happen.
Here is the rifle used above BTW.
rnbra-shooter
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I can think of a reasonably straightforward way to accomplish the stated task, though it seems to me it would be more of a "stunt" than anything particularly useful or interesting.
New Camper
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Colonel Cooper wrote a book entitled "The Art of the Rifle". I bought it years ago, after enjoying his Guns & Ammo magazine column "Cooper's Corner" for years prior. I still dig the magazines out periodically, and partake of the wisdom so eloquently presented within that page.
For those to care to try ...
forget the 1000 yrd challenge for the moment.
Just try 20 rnds 20 seconds 1 inch target at 100
or 20 rnds 20 seconds 2 inch target at 200
As Dan suggested this is more on the lines of a stunt shooting challenge and would
entail more luck than skill. But go for it if you want......
Cooper truly was a "character" .
Gord O
forget the 1000 yrd challenge for the moment.
Just try 20 rnds 20 seconds 1 inch target at 100
or 20 rnds 20 seconds 2 inch target at 200
As Dan suggested this is more on the lines of a stunt shooting challenge and would
entail more luck than skill. But go for it if you want......
Cooper truly was a "character" .
Gord O
rnbra-shooter
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- New Brunswick
It didn't sound to me like something he'd say (seemed a bit too "stunt-ish") but it looks like perhaps he did http://www.dvc.org.uk/jeff/jeff12_3.html (see "Apollo Challenge", fourth paragraph).
It does not sound to me to be either particularly difficult, nor particularly useful/meaningful. Get an accurate semiauto, with a good trigger and a 20-round magazine, that weighs enough so that you can get back onto target quickly. Wait for near-ideal wind conditions. Carefully sight-in/set-up. Hose away 20-shot groups until you get it. Seems to me that making an AR-10 into a 10kg F-Class rifle would probably do the trick.
It does not sound to me to be either particularly difficult, nor particularly useful/meaningful. Get an accurate semiauto, with a good trigger and a 20-round magazine, that weighs enough so that you can get back onto target quickly. Wait for near-ideal wind conditions. Carefully sight-in/set-up. Hose away 20-shot groups until you get it. Seems to me that making an AR-10 into a 10kg F-Class rifle would probably do the trick.
