Jim Shockey shoots a T/C ??

[catnthehatt]

I have a big problem with someone who proffeses to hunt with "Muzzle loaders" becuase of the challange , then in the next paqragraph explans why A leupold is the only scope a hunter should have on his black powder rifle, and how much more distance you can get with them over a round ball, blah, blah, blah.
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[bone-collector]

its a guides responsibility to make sure his/her clients can shoot and to deal with there errors imedietly

doe it make sence that anyone in Jim shokeys shoes would go out and start wounding game animals and just let them run around to take a chance that he may get nailed by a CO and lose his gravy train forever ? not to mention making comments like that are very slanderous

and what if the animal wont drop asap for you well in the real guiding world we say SHOOT IT AGAIN and most guides I work with or know have a treeline rule , if its hit but running and heading for timber the guide finishes it off especialy bears and out of all the hunters I have guided in BC in 12 years maybe 3 couldnt shoot or had buck fever pretty bad but they stil got there animal but we sure as hell didnt have wounded animals running all over the place !

 

[BIGREDD]

A good guide will ask questions of his clients and can determine his or her skill level very quickly. They will invariably ask the client to shoot his rifle to check the zero, this answers many unasked questions!
The guide will also ask or tell the client that he (the guide) will take follow up shots to ensure a kill in many instances. There is no excuse for animals running around wounded... this falls squarely on the guides shoulders in my opinion... it happens but it is not something for a guide to be proud of that's for sure.

 

[bisonhd]

My guess for the reason Shockey dumped bowhunting was because Chuck Adams was already dominating that advertising market. The rifle catagory is way to competitive and divided. Muzzle loading was a smart choice from a business prospective, most records were still reasonably obtainable.

I'm thinking of taking up blow-gun.

 

[Sasquatch]

I guess I was not clear and better set things straight. I was guiding in the camp at the time. A Dene guide was actually guiding the hunter in question for the TV show, but there were a number of us helping with the crew. The archer hit the caribou twice over a period of about two hours and several stalks and eventually the caribou was shot. On the screen however the show made it look like it was a one arrow deal.

I have also seen this on rifle kills where the hunter took several shots and in one instance I had to finish the bear afterwards. This did not hit the screen either......it was boom splat dead bear, one shot.

Just this past spring a good friend and neighbour had a film crew for bear and the 'hunter' for the shoot missed two bears and wounded and lost one (using a muzzleloader from a big name company). He killed a small two year old the last day after borrowing the outfitters .30-30. Do you think that will be in the show? Do you think that would make the muzzleloader company sponsors happy? I think anyone can figure this one out.

I would not have bothered to even respond on this except that I do not want anyone to get the wrong idea ......that is being portrayed here. As usual if you are not absolutely squeeky clean on how you write something it gets jumped on.

All the good guide stuff I see being printed here depends on where you are.....in some jurisdictions guides are not even allowed to pack a firearm other than on bear hunts....yes it is true. Also......archers who are book conscious can not put an animal in Pope and Young if there is a bullet in it. There are times when the follow up is hours of stalking to avoid the bullet. Sad but true. Not every wildlife act allows the guide to shoot animals on suspicion that they are wounded.

If you have a lot of ecperience you will have heard about situations where guides shot, believing that the animals was wounded and in fact it was not......then it is not even the hunters kill. Carry it on to really bad situations and you will find instances where the hunter refused to tag it as it was not his kill. Then what? Yep.............the guiding is sure cut and dried.

The checking the firearms and making sure they are on....yes that is normal, although I know lots of outfitters that don't bother (no I am not condoning it). It has nothing to do whatsoever with how the guy performs in the field. Misses are misses and wounded game happens regardless.

The first year I guided in the NWT, guides could not carry firearms.......this is true, believe it or not. Grizzlies were an almost everyday thing and we could not carry a gun. Wounded game was wounded game and there was nothing you could do about it other than take the hunters rifle and use it if he couldn't hit it.

Enough said? I hope so. The hunting show topic has nothing to do with Shockey or Boddington really......it is hunting shows in general and they are not all the same and the players are not all the same.

 

[huntinstuff]

I don't suppose sponsorship money would have had anything to do with it?

nah.......Im sure that if the "china" made guns were stamped "Made by Knight in his own garage" they would still be the best, and Jim, God Bless him, would still be shootin' one.....endorsements and "future considerations" are what that world is all about now. Not a slam to Shockey, he's a fine man, but business is business. I dont blame him a bit.

 

[scott_r]

please enlighten me on your take of a guide allowing his/her hunters to run around and wound game and shoot the hell out of the bush and well your at it go back to the other thread and show me what is on the list we cannot hunt in BC other than antelope.

whos in grade 6 now

I would ignore the the guy, he trolls on a regular basis

 

[crazy_davey]

I would ignore the the guy, he trolls on a regular basis

I didnt give two sh*ts what they were chatting about, it was that they were fighting like school girls in three different threads.

So why dont you piss off

 

[Huntsman]

nah.......Im sure that if the "china" made guns were stamped "Made by Knight in his own garage" they would still be the best, and Jim, God Bless him, would still be shootin' one.....endorsements and "future considerations" are what that world is all about now. Not a slam to Shockey, he's a fine man, but business is business. I dont blame him a bit.

x2 "money talks"

 

[Gatehouse]

I ahve no doubt that Jim Shockey had a business plan.

#1 He wanted to promote his own guiding business

#2 He wanted to do something that gave him some *WOW* factor.

He probably looked at what woudl give him this *WOW* factor and saw an opportunity.

He found that noone had completed the full North American Grand Slam of Record Book animals with a Muzzle loader, and this quest would make him famous, and add to the appeal of his guiding business, as wel as his video business.

SO he went for it, and did it.

I've met Jim Shockey on a coupel of occaisons, and I personally know (very well) one of the guys that guides for him.

Shickey is a hunter, through and through. He was an accomplished hunter long before he took up the Muzzle Loader.

TO accomplish what he did with a 300RUM and 6-24 scope woudl be very remarkabe, to do it with a ML makes it outstanding, regardless if the ML is an inline wiht a scope.

Keep in mind, aot of Shockeys hunitng had been without a guide, just him on his own in BC. (not htat it makes a huge difference, as to pass up on the animals he has passed up on because they didn't make book is a feat in itself- guide or no)

Shockey has a sucessful outfitter business in Sask, in BC and now Yukon. His videos and books are sucessful.

If he swiitched guns, it may be for money reasons, or it could be or personal reasons, but he hardly needed to swithc for the cash.

Frankly, if I was as smart as he was, and was as good a hunter as he was, I'd have followed the same path.

 

[scott_r]

I think Shockey would be a cool guy to hunt with. I really like his sense of humor and his spirit of adventure.
At least the guy goes out and tries different hunts on his TV show and you don't see him stricktly hunt turkeys or whitetails. I really liked the cape buffalo hunt, pretty cool when it charges the jeep they were in

Cheers!!