another forum member was nice enough to sell me 50 of his to try out. If my gun likes em, I'll get a hold of Jerry. My gun loves the 75 and 80 AMAX's. I haven't found a good load for the 80.5 bergers yet, they're barely MoA, but I've only shot about 15 rounds, hopefully its warm tomorrow. I'm hoping the JLK's shoot better, otherwise I'll have to stick to the super expensive AMAX's