John Inglis marked .50 M2HB?

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Heres a wierd one, I was working on my M2HB which has a mixed combination of parts on it from other guns, no real matching parts and while I was taking off the top cover I noticed this.

This is the top cover spring detent, which presses back up against the top cover to keep it under tension so it doesnt cut your fingers every time you want to put another belt in.

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Inglis made parts for the M2HB?

Can anyone confirm this?
 
Yep. It was my understanding that JI had the Browning rights for Canada towards the end of the war or post war. I have a couple of JI marked 50 parts kicking around the shop. JI of course made the .303 Browning mk2 aircraft gun, and they are rather common to find here in Canada. However, I have never seen a complete 50 cal made by JI, just small parts. There were plenty of Browning 50 cals made postwar by LongBranch of course, and many still serve in the CF today. They were made as M3 aircraft guns, Cdn Arsenals marked, and have the L in the serial number. They can still be found in service since converted to M2 with the QCB modification. Some I have seen had the M3 barred out and changed to M2, and some still have it on them.
 
stencollector said:
Yep. It was my understanding that JI had the Browning rights for Canada towards the end of the war or post war. I have a couple of JI marked 50 parts kicking around the shop. JI of course made the .303 Browning mk2 aircraft gun, and they are rather common to find here in Canada. However, I have never seen a complete 50 cal made by JI, just small parts. There were plenty of Browning 50 cals made postwar by LongBranch of course, and many still serve in the CF today. They were made as M3 aircraft guns, Cdn Arsenals marked, and have the L in the serial number. They can still be found in service since converted to M2 with the QCB modification. Some I have seen had the M3 barred out and changed to M2, and some still have it on them.
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Long Branch made complete .50 MG's? I never knew that.

What years would that have been?
 
green said:
I knew a wartime Inglis employee and he said they made 50 cal barrels.
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well what do you know, while the barrel doesnt say Long Branch or Inglis it does have a rather prominent canadian flag on it and what looks like a nato stock number?

Anyone know when this marking came into existance? It cant be WW2 or even korea? 70's?
 
The Maple leaf marked barrels were used in the 70s and 80s. In the 90s the 50s were withdrawn from regular and reserve units for modification to quick change barrels. Only the regular force got them back, I'm not sure if the 50s were ever returned to the reserves.
Long Branch made complete .50 MG's? I never knew that.

What years would that have been?
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I believe they were made for the F86 sabres, which would have used 6 on each craft. This would put them around the 1950 time period. If you see the L in the serial number of a 50 cal, a closer look will usually reveal a CAL made M3.
 
stencollector said:
The Maple leaf marked barrels were used in the 70s and 80s. In the 90s the 50s were withdrawn from regular and reserve units for modification to quick change barrels. Only the regular force got them back, I'm not sure if the 50s were ever returned to the reserves.


I believe they were made for the F86 sabres, which would have used 6 on each craft. This would put them around the 1950 time period. If you see the L in the serial number of a 50 cal, a closer look will usually reveal a CAL made M3.
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That'd be the one to own...assuming I was ever able to find room for one (deact)...



So, the CF stripped them out of the Sabres when they were scrapped and converted them to infantry use?

Would the .50's the CF still uses be Long Branch units?
 
If you want to know the source nation of a NSN'd object, have a look at the 5th and 6th digits.

Example:

1111-22-333-4444

The "22" here denotes the country code.

00 or 01 denote USA

21 indicates Canadian Origin

99 indicates UK.

The first four digits indicate the class of the item, for example if I recall correctly, most small arms will have a 1305.

So, if what appears to be a NSN show the first six digits as:

1305-21-###-###X

This is a Canadian made small arms related item.

5998-21-###-###X would be a Circuit Card Assembly (ie a computer motherboard) for a Canadian system.

NS
 
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I believe they were made for the F86 sabres, which would have used 6 on each craft. This would put them around the 1950 time period. If you see the L in the serial number of a 50 cal, a closer look will usually reveal a CAL made M3.[/QUOTE]

YIPPPEEEE, I WIN!! Just looked at my dewat M3 " CAL SER # 1L5297" 1953. Also have a 300 round feed canister for a M3.. Never knew anything about my gun, thanks to those informed guys on CGN. It's quite roughly dewatted but now has a different story about it, maybe from a F86 Sabre?
 
It is my understanding that a lot of the M3 .50 were dewated. then sold as scrap metal. if you managed to get one your lucky. CAL serviced the M3's for the airforce, Can any of you guys tell me aneything about the barrels with the stellite inserts?
 
NavyShooter said:
If you want to know the source nation of a NSN'd object, have a look at the 5th and 6th digits.

Example:

1111-22-333-4444

The "22" here denotes the country code.

00 or 01 denote USA

21 indicates Canadian Origin

99 indicates UK.

The first four digits indicate the class of the item, for example if I recall correctly, most small arms will have a 1305.

So, if what appears to be a NSN show the first six digits as:

1305-21-###-###X

This is a Canadian made small arms related item.

5998-21-###-###X would be a Circuit Card Assembly (ie a computer motherboard) for a Canadian system.

NS
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Some minor additions and corrections: The stock class (first four digits) for small arms and their parts and accesories is 1005 (not 1305).

Also, you can kind of date a part by some degree by the country code. The USA used up all it's possible combinations around 1974, so thats when they started using the 01 country code instead of the 00. So if you have a part thats got the 01, then you know that it was included into the NSN system after 1974. Same goes for Canadian numbers. We used up our combinations of numbers in 2002/2003 time period, and started using 20 instead of the 21. (We couldn't use 22 cause another country was already using it).

BTW, the Americans are starting to get onto using up the "01" possible numbers, and it is my understanding that they have the "04" country identifier reserved next.
 
cantom said:
That'd be the one to own...assuming I was ever able to find room for one (deact)...



So, the CF stripped them out of the Sabres when they were scrapped and converted them to infantry use?

Would the .50's the CF still uses be Long Branch units?
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As another poster mentions, many of the M3s hit the surplus market with worn out trunnions and torch cuts on the sides. They used to be available from crown surplus in Calgary for $39.

Some Long Branch 50s were converted to ground use in the CF, but by no means do these make up the majority.

While an M3 dewat can be converted into an M2 dewat fairly easily, one of the problems you will have is that the top of the trunnion is different on an M2 where the front sight is. An M3 does not have the front sight or hood in this location.
 
stencollector said:
Some minor additions and corrections: The stock class (first four digits) for small arms and their parts and accesories is 1005 (not 1305).

Also, you can kind of date a part by some degree by the country code. The USA used up all it's possible combinations around 1974, so thats when they started using the 01 country code instead of the 00. So if you have a part thats got the 01, then you know that it was included into the NSN system after 1974. Same goes for Canadian numbers. We used up our combinations of numbers in 2002/2003 time period, and started using 20 instead of the 21. (We couldn't use 22 cause another country was already using it).

BTW, the Americans are starting to get onto using up the "01" possible numbers, and it is my understanding that they have the "04" country identifier reserved next.
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Sorry!

I just finished a 2 week ammo course in Borden....1305 is the identifier for some of the ammo types we were dealing with. Got stuck in my head I guess :redface:

I think -22- is Germany perhaps?

Thanks for the info on the years too...I'm still learning!

NS
 
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