Josh Bowmar SPEARS GIANT BEAR On The Ground - Alberta Canada

I'm not questioning that kill; it was quick in my book. Wonder how many deer have run in the bush for days with their jaw shot off or a wound up the side of their hide? I'm just surprised that Alberta hadn't really broke down what was considered a primitive weapon. Or a better way of putting it: What couldn't be used. I am pretty sure they will now.

The spear in that guy's hand didn't bother me. Better than a rookie in the bush with a rifle shooting at whatever moves....
 
I read that Alberta will now ban spears as a hunting method.

So much outcry from the lefties and tree-hugger crowd.

I was reading a big bunch of negative comments and couldn't help
but note that a large percentage were from Universities and schools.
they have been brainwashed to follow the "oh, bears are cute and harmless"
line of reasoning. Not a clue about the real world.

Regards, Dave.
 
I was excited for him! Great hunt, and as humane a kill as with a bow and arrow as far as I can tell. It only ran 60 feet before collapsing.

Using a spear at ground level without backup seems a little risky though.
 
K-Roc said:
What an odd answer. So we can do anything "we want to do?"

I do many things I don't want to do... and I don't do many things I want to do. Just saying.
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Your question is asinine...

He did it because it represented a challenge, and yet he believed that with proper gear and practice it could be done; A) legally, B) ethically C) effectively... he was right on all counts. I get the outcry from non-hunters and anti-hunters over the posting of the video... they either don't understand hunting and likely don't make a connection between the death of an animal and a Big Mac patty... or they are completely disassociated from our physiology and biology and genetic predisposition as "Hunters"/Gatherers, and actually believe killing a regulated game animal is morally wrong... but these questions SHOULD NOT be coming from hunters.
 
From this morning's Metro: "Alberta's Ministry of Environment issued a statement that "the type of archaic hunting....is unacceptable .....and will introduce a ban on it."

"Wayne Lowry, AFGA president said his org has been pushing a ban on spears."

Wow, got some anti's running things over der, eh?
 
Interesting how the "drum beat" on CGN is always "Lefties" and 'Liberal-tards" cant handle talking about different sides of an issue or hearing a different opinion.

"Liberals result to name calling when they can't win an argument" I hear it on hear daily. Yet every time I have an even slightly different opinion on here than the CGN hoards I will be name called almost immediately. It actually makes me laugh.

I have talked with 3 hunters so far. None of them agree with this method of hunting bc of inaccuracy and it doesn't promise a clean kill. The body was recovered the next morning? I am I missing something, maybe. I don't have all the answers but there is an oddness to that and the time it may have taken for the bear to die. Ppl have been hunting with spears for millions of years sure. We also used to sleep on the ground and eat bugs. We have firearms now to ensure cleaner kills.

As for the guy, well, he seems not right in the head and a general disrespect for the bear was pretty obvious.
 
K-Roc said:
Interesting how the "drum beat" on CGN is always "Lefties" and 'Liberal-tards" cant handle talking about different sides of an issue or hearing a different opinion.

"Liberals result to name calling when they can't win an argument" I hear it on hear daily. Yet every time I have an even slightly different opinion on here than the CGN hoards I will be name called almost immediately. It actually makes me laugh.

I have talked with 3 hunters so far. None of them agree with this method of hunting bc of inaccuracy and it doesn't promise a clean kill. The body was recovered the next morning? I am I missing something, maybe. I don't have all the answers but there is an oddness to that and the time it may have taken for the bear to die. Ppl have been hunting with spears for millions of years sure. We also used to sleep on the ground and eat bugs. We have firearms now to ensure cleaner kills.

As for the guy, well, he seems not right in the head and a general disrespect for the bear was pretty obvious.
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It's not my cup of tea either...... And I would never choose to hunt that way, nor do my post kill celebrations resemble his in any way shape or form......

You have a right to your opinion, as do the three other hunters you asked..... The problems occur when people start maintaining that their ethical line in the sand is the "right" line in the sand......

No matter how "strict" your ethics are, there will always be someone stricter than you..... Eventually, following the logic of "ban this, it's unethical", we would only be able to hunt game no further than 50 yards, using only a high powered rifle launching a prescribed bullet weight, and shots would only be legal if the animal was presenting a perfect broadside shot......

That's the funny thing with ethics, no one person actually gets to decide what is "ethical"..
 
K-Roc said:
Interesting how the "drum beat" on CGN is always "Lefties" and 'Liberal-tards" cant handle talking about different sides of an issue or hearing a different opinion.

"Liberals result to name calling when they can't win an argument" I hear it on hear daily. Yet every time I have an even slightly different opinion on here than the CGN hoards I will be name called almost immediately. It actually makes me laugh.

I have talked with 3 hunters so far. None of them agree with this method of hunting bc of inaccuracy and it doesn't promise a clean kill. The body was recovered the next morning? I am I missing something, maybe. I don't have all the answers but there is an oddness to that and the time it may have taken for the bear to die. Ppl have been hunting with spears for millions of years sure. We also used to sleep on the ground and eat bugs. We have firearms now to ensure cleaner kills.

As for the guy, well, he seems not right in the head and a general disrespect for the bear was pretty obvious.
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First, if you train enough with a spear, you can be very accurate. I actually think it's more sporting than a rifle, as you have to be 10 feet away before you can attempt a kill shot.

Second, hunting with a rifle does not always promise a clean kill either. Many many MANY animals have been wounded using a rifle/shotgun, and yet the outcry does not occur (not nearly as much anyway) over hunting with those tools.

Third, bears and other large game are very often recovered the next day, as it may be getting dark and the animal needs time to die. I wouldn't recommend trying to approach a bear on it's death bed. You'll join it.

Fourth, we have robots that can shoot lasers and explosives and rockets now as well. Why don't we use those to hunt? There's a reason that using drones while hunting is illegal in most areas. It presents an unfair advantage to the hunter. This guy was just leveling the playing field and presenting himself with more of a challenge. I agree, there's a balance to making it more fair for the game AND using a means that is ethical. However, in this instance, the kill was clean and there was nothing wrong with what he did.
 
K-Roc, you are indeed missing something...I suspect that it's experience. Do you hunt? I tend to think you don't, based on some of your comments. Recovery of the animal the next day, while perhaps not ideal, is far from uncommon. I'll bet that bear was speared late in the day; combine that with the very reasonable tactic of waiting for the animal to expire quickly and nearby, rather than immediately rushing off after it and perhaps provoking it into a charge, or causing it to run large distances into possibility difficult terrain, and the next day recovery was quite reasonable. Judging from the distance it covered (60-70 yards, based on the dialogue in the video clip) and the extent of the injury, it probably expired at least as quickly as any properly-arrowed game...probably even more quickly.

You talked with "3 hunters so far". Not three other hunters, which reinforces my doubts as to your experience; I don't know anything about theirs. They don't like the idea of spears because of inaccuracy; however, he obviously had put in time and effort to practice, and was able to place the spear where it needed to be. They expressed doubts about a clean kill? This bear covered 60 yards and died, very quickly. That's a clean kill.

If I'm wrong...if you hunt, and have any amount of experience as a hunter...then please detail it. If I'm correct, i.e. you don't hunt, then, frankly, you don't have an opinion worth listening to. It's like asking someone what they think of a movie they haven't seen, or soliciting their opinion on a restaurant they haven't visited.

Please don't call the wahhhmbulance...there has not been, and will not be (at least from my direction) any name calling here. I'm simply asking you why your opinion of this event should matter to anyone else.

Edited to add: I agree with your assessment of his post-kill "celebration". I've hunted with guys like that, and I find it distasteful. As I stated earlier, behavior like that is commonplace on outdoor tv shows, and I suppose I can give him a partial pass due to his "youthful exhuberance", shall we say? But, you're right...that was a bit embarrassing to watch.
 
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Thinking it over last night: There's one thing that does kinda throw me & I'm not a pathologist. But in that video they did mention that the bear died so quick Rigor mortis didn't kick in? It would regardless, but from what little I know the duration may be quicker due to the nature of the kill. Again, if the statements were true that it drop 60 to 70 meters from where it was hit & they recovered it in the morning you would think rigor would still be set in or it still had not set in? That bear still appeared flexible when hauled it out of the scrub it was laying in? Again I'm not a bear hunter & realize temperature affects this but that part of that video kinda makes me question what actually took place?..
 
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