JP Sauer Royale 20ga

So, fit a one inch pad like an Old English Pachmayr and you have your preferred length of pull. Try it with a slip on pad first.
Don't underestimate those European stocks until you see if it fits and allows you to shoot your best.
My AyA 16 gauge has a similar stock and it is the most natural pointing, bird busting gun that I own (and I have quite a few).
 
I should have disclosed that I have a two with the European stock (cheek piece) and quite like the fit. If I didn't, I wouldn't keep them.
LOP can change quite a bit depending on your clothing. It might be fine with a jacket and then use a slip on pad if you're wearing a t-shirt.
 
Nice gun, I was eyeballing it as well before you bought it but i would have preferred it in an English stock. I have 3 similar german guns but they are all Merkel's or geco branded Merkel's, 2 in 20 guage and one in 12, all were English stocks or converted and they are my go to grouse guns and the 12 is for ducks
 
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side by side break action shotgun with 28" f/m, scalloped box lock, engraved receiver, side clips, cocking indicator, ejectors, case colors, splinter forend, monte carlo checkered walnut stock, double triggers
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A minty Sauer "Royal" 12 gauge

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I generally sling my turkey gun and my 10ga gun but i generally remove the sling swivels on my doubles. I like the cleaner lines and generally never need a sling for a double gun. They balance well enough. My 10s get slinged because of the weight
 
German guns have sling loops so when walking about from stand to stand or coming in or going out of the field, the gun would be broken and hanging from the sling on your shoulder with barrels facing forward. This allows for the barrels to be pointed skyward and the empty chambers pointed to the ground. Very practical in a group setting.

The English typically will have their guns transported to their shooting peg and will be handed their gun(s). Same for moving between pegs.

We here in North America sling our loaded guns over our shoulder and let fly the moment we step into the field. Or as I've seen in the more rural areas of Alberta, the old fellow stops his car on a dirt road, sticks the barrel of his shotgun out the window, murders some poor hapless grouse on the side of the road looking for grist for his craw. The shooter's very corpulent wife then exits the passenger side of the vehicles and waddles over to what's left of the grouse, waddles back to the car and with the grace and elegance befitting the scene, hurls the grouse into the back of the car and squeezes herself back into the front seat. The car then proceeds down the road at a crawl looking for its next intended victim.

So, more of a German thing. Since having experienced this method of carry for doubles, I prefer it. Very comfortable and very safe. And it falls into the category of a sporting chance for the birds.

Kind regards,

Jaegermeister1
 
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kayaker1 said:
Were those chokes factory or reamed by the previous owner? Seems very open for a typical Euro gun.

Very nice by the way...I will be interested to see if you put it on the EE....
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Good solid gun but almost a given those chokes have been opened up not a problem if done correctly. Those almost always came new with super tight chokes.
 
jaegermeister1 said:
German guns have sling loops so when walking about from stand to stand or coming in or going out of the field, the gun would be broken and hanging from the sling on your shoulder with barrels facing forward. This allows for the barrels to be pointed skyward and the empty chambers pointed to the ground. Very practical in a group setting.

The English typically will have their guns transported to their shooting peg and will be handed their gun(s). Same for moving between pegs.

We here in North America sling our loaded guns over our shoulder and let fly the moment we step into the field. Or as I've seen in the more rural areas of Alberta, the old fellow stops his car on a dirt road, sticks the barrel of his shotgun out the window, murders some poor hapless grouse on the side of the road looking for grist for his craw. The shooter's very corpulent wife then exits the passenger side of the vehicles and waddles over to what's left of the grouse, waddles back to the car and with the grace and elegance befitting the scene, hurls the grouse into the back of the car and squeezes herself back into the front seat. The car then proceeds down the road at a crawl looking for its next intended victim.

So, more of a German thing. Since having experienced this method of carry for doubles, I prefer it. Very comfortable and very safe. And it falls into the category of a sporting chance for the birds.

Kind regards,

Jaegermeister1
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An obnoxious and unnecessary post, adding little to the thread and filled with stereotypes which may occur but hardly represent the norm.
 
jaegermeister1 said:
........Or as I've seen in the more rural areas of Alberta, the old fellow stops his car on a dirt road, sticks the barrel of his shotgun out the window, murders some poor hapless grouse on the side of the road looking for grist for his craw. The shooter's very corpulent wife then exits the passenger side of the vehicles and waddles over to what's left of the grouse, waddles back to the car and with the grace and elegance befitting the scene, hurls the grouse into the back of the car and squeezes herself back into the front seat. The car then proceeds down the road at a crawl looking for its next intended victim.

So, more of a German thing. Since having experienced this method of carry for doubles, I prefer it. Very comfortable and very safe. And it falls into the category of a sporting chance for the birds.

Kind regards,

Jaegermeister1
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Your comments are crass and in poor taste.
 
Great looking gun, that's a beautiful piece. $1,200? Great price. Can you get pictures of the underside of the barrels, it will show the nominal diameter and the factory choke diameters most likely as well.
 
Nice looking gun. Probably a later model and I would agree with the people who are saying that the chokes have likely been opened up. Still, it's a dandy.
 
And here I am, wondering why I didn't see that listing on The GunDealer website... than realized it's a post from 2019!
- In other news, they have what seems to be a nice Ithaca 4E two barrel set...

OP, for a stock too short (and you don't want to add a big recoil pad) there's always a wood stock extension. I've seen a few guns with them over the years, and it look pretty good.

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Canvasback and VictoryXC:

Another poster asked why the sling loops; thus relevance.

I've hunted in Britain and Germany. Gun safety and gun culture are quite different abroad.

In my neck of the woods here in Northern Alberta, the concept of "a sporting chance" is unheard-of. the incident in my story happened out front of my driveway. The number of road hunters is very problematic. What is crass and in poor taste is the number of people who go afield each year and cut fence lines, wound game, poach, leave garbage about and generally cause mayhem.

Now take a moment and put your indignity aside and think about how many hunters you've come across who fit my description. Then tell me how that compares to your experiences of hunting abroad.

Now lets have no more of this discussion and go back to admiring the op's shotgun.

Kind regards,

Jaegermeister1
 
Roblack:

What a beautiful gun you have acquired. Please keep us posted on how it shoots. Will you be putting it to the patterning board?

I absolutely adore these German guns. And that you got it in a 20 bore is bonus.

Weidmansheil,

Jaegermeister1
 
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