JR Carbine

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Any owners here still having issues with recent purchase JR carbines in .40 or .45? Any easy fix (probably not but its worth the chance) to the existing problems?
Im interested in the JR carbine platform, as I dislike the TD look as well as the Hi-point carbines (personal preference and all). Im not willing to invest in a rifle that may/may not have issues.
Thanks for your input in advance!
 
Just found this on gunrightsmedia.com. Seems to answer some of my questions but this is from the company that is having issues, so I am taking it with a grain of salt.

Internet reviews/reports on the JR Carbine can vary significantly. This is due, in part, to the fact that some reviews predate our improvements while others are more current. The improvements we have made include moving from a fixed extractor to a live one, adding a feed ramp to the magazine well, and adjusting the angle and height of the magazine relative to the bolt. Additionally, we have completely redesigned the bolt, charging handle and buffer system.

We were not happy with the tolerances to which our receivers, bolts, and hammer/trigger/disconnector sets were initially being manufactured. Over time we identified and changed to vendors who can consistently produce these parts to the specifications we require. The end result is a JR Carbine that is much improved over the earlier versions. For those who have purchased earlier versions we have provided no-charge upgrades (i.e. our rapid fire bolt upgrade posted on our website). This has included complete receiver exchanges for the earliest versions.

Following are some of the issues you may have read about and what we have done to resolve them:

General Development - Buffer System
The 9mm JR Carbine was the first model we developed, and we went through about 80 percent of our R&D growing pains with it. We originally used the standard aluminum AR-15 buffer, with a carbine-length spring and a steel spacer in the base of the buffer tube to prevent bolt overtravel. The failure of our initial vendors to supply us with bolts, receivers, etc., manufactured to our design tolerances resulted in increased friction during cycling of the bolt during firing. With the greater frictional losses we were experiencing the standard buffer was sufficient in the 9mm.

When we developed the 40S&W model we noted that the polymer ends of the AR-15 buffers were deforming after a few dozen rounds. In order to counteract the problem we replaced the steel spacer in the buttstock with a rubber bumper to absorb shock and a nylon disc to support the buffer spring and distribute the force of the buffer impact evenly onto the bumper.

By this time, however, we had either changed vendors or gotten existing ones to manufacture to consistently tighter tolerances, resulting in decreased frictional losses during cycling. The net impact of these combined factors was that the standard buffer no longer provided sufficient inertia to slow down the bolt, which was operating at a speed of about 1200-1500 rounds per minute. At that speed the bolt was overspeeding the disconnector, causing 2nd round no-#### occurrences.

We prototyped a solid steel buffer, which really tamed the bolt speed to something manageable, and eventually settled on a buffer weighing in at 7.6 ounces for the 40S&W. We beefed it up a little more for the 45ACP, ending up with a buffer weighing over 8 ounces which works well in the 45ACP and 40S&W, as well as in the lower power 9mm cartridge. (More weight is not possible within the confines of the buffer tube diameter, length, and available travel limits.)

Of course, there is a lower limit to the kind of cartridge that can use this solid buffer. When we develop the .22LR and .22WMR we anticipate reverting to the standard AR-type buffer because those cartridges release so much less energy (22WMR is slightly more than half that of the 9mm, 22LR approximately one quarter).

Light Primer Strikes & Failures to ####

Light primer strikes were caused by a couple of different factors. In our early models the light primer strikes resulted from an internal issue in the original bolt design. In our later models it has been mostly the the result of the hammer following the bolt forward after a preceding round is fired. In these cases either the disconnector/hammer interface wore prematurely and failed to catch the hammer, or the shooter was engaging in extreme rapid fire and outran the bolt - pulling the trigger in a subsequent shot before the bolt was forward and in battery. (Once we discovered premature wear on the trigger group parts, we located a vendor who is able to make consistently high-quality hammers, triggers and disconnectors for us.) In both cases the bolt does not impart enough energy to the firing pin to do anything more than slightly dimple the cartridge primer, if it ever strikes it at all. Between redesigning the bolt and getting trigger group parts that are made of the proper material and correctly dimensioned, the instances of light primer strikes are few and far between. Those that do occur are usually the result of some sort of fouling or extreme rapid fire action - both of which are curable by the shooter by 1) occasional cleaning or 2) not trying to make a semiautomatic direct-blowback gun fire like a fully automatic locking-bolt one.


Failures to Feed/Eject
Our original bolt design employed a solid, fixed extractor that was machined into and integral with the bolt face. It was a novel concept - one no one had ever done before. We designed it for use with American made SAAMI-spec ammunition. Unfortunately, we did not realized how widely the tolerances of pistol ammunition can vary - even among the major ammunition manufacturers. This resulted in some shooters having great shooting experiences because their ammunition was properly dimensioned, while others used poorly dimensioned ammo and had poor shooting experiences. We scrapped the solid extractor design in favor of a live extractor. In the process we made our bolt ambidextrous.

Other feeding problems were resolved by adding a feed ramp to the magazine well, changing the angle of the magazine relative to the bolt, and radiusing the mouth of the chamber and opening up the feed ramp integral to the barrel.

Ejection was improved by changing the angle of the ejector itself and getting both the bolt and ejector plate manufactured to consistently high tolerances.

One issue adversely affecting feeding relates to the magazines we use. Although we have based our initial models on OEM Glock magazines, the quality of those magazines is beyond our control. As most Glock users have experienced, all Glock magazines are not created equal. (To date there have been approximately 8 different generations developed and distributed into the marketplace.) This goes double for aftermarket Glock-compatible magazines. Still, we test fire every JR Carbine before it is shipped and packed. We test each with the magazine it is shipped with, so every magazine we include has also been function tested. We have encountered some variations in the tolerances to which Glock magazines are manufactured. We now include literature pertinent to the particular magazine issues that may arise with each JR Carbine we sell. We have also it on our website.

I am in the process of updating our Safety and Instruction Manual to remove any information that is no longer effective or relevant, and to include new information that we have developed. As soon as it is complete I will update the link to a downloadable PDF copy on our website.

Finally, in addition to failures stemming from extreme rapid fire, we have identified a couple of other malfunction trends that simply stem from shooters' lack of familiarity with this particular firearm. The first involves bent/broken charging handles, the second is feeding and/or operating failures caused by magazine overinsertion.

Many shooters want to install their own favorite M-4 compatible buttstock on their JR Carbine. There is no problem with this as long as they follow the guidance given in our manual. Often they assume that they can swap entire buttstock assemblies and don't bother reading the manual. Unfortunately for them the similarity between M-4 buttstock assemblies and the JR Carbine buttstock assembly is limited to the stock body and,perhaps, the buffer tube. Our buffer system inside the JR Carbine is entirely proprietary. Proper operation of the system relies on certain dimensions being maintained even if the shooter does remember to transfer the internals from the buttstock assembly provided to the new one they are installing. Failure to both transfer the buffer internals to the new buffer tube and maintian proper operational dimensions will result in a bent or broken charging handle after just one shot.

A very large number of us were trained to shoot during military service. Part of that training has usually included the instruction (at least with the M-16/M-4 and M1911/M9) to insert the magazine in the magazine well and slap it home to make sure it is properly seated. Those without formal military training have nevertheless probably seen countless examples of this procedures in movies and on television.

Slapping the bottom of a magazine is no problem when a firearm incorporates internal stops to prevent overinsertion. Unfortunately, the design parameters of the JR Carbine make it very difficult to incorporate an internal magazine stop. Even if one could be designed, it would likely be very expensive and too complicated to operate reliably. (Think Rube Goldberg.) In the JR Carbine the magazine catch is what locks and locates the magazine at the proper height within the magazine well. Slapping it upward into the magazine well - especially with the bolt locked to the rear - can overrun the magazine catch, damage the magazine, and insert the magazine too far into the path of the bolt. While our manual has always included instructions for the proper insertion of the magazine, we will also include a more pronounced warning against magazine slap in the upcoming version.

I hope this answers your questions.



Anyone care to weigh in?
 
i purchased a jr in .45, it was a jammo matic out of the box, did the mag mods that the info in the box said were done at the factory..as well as trimed the spring a couple of coils in an effort to get 10 rnds into mag, when i managed that, the magwell saved material from the side off the mag. i also noticed the bolt bound in the reciever, so i polished it just enough to rid that! the only way i could get the thing to run a full mag was to down load my cartriges so much i could see them arcing out from the end of the barrel!
ready to return it to the store i phoned jrc in "NEW YORK CITY" and spoke with the vp. he assured me they had a bunch of upgrade kits developed and would ship one out asap when they arrived on the 26th or 27th, i called to check on the 27th and was informed they had shipped on the 19th and provided me with a tracking no.
now i think its stuck at the border...
i will let you know if and when the parts get here, and if it proves to be a good fix or not
 
i purchased a jr in .45, it was a jammo matic out of the box, did the mag mods that the info in the box said were done at the factory..as well as trimed the spring a couple of coils in an effort to get 10 rnds into mag, when i managed that, the magwell saved material from the side off the mag. i also noticed the bolt bound in the reciever, so i polished it just enough to rid that! the only way i could get the thing to run a full mag was to down load my cartriges so much i could see them arcing out from the end of the barrel!
ready to return it to the store i phoned jrc in "NEW YORK CITY" and spoke with the vp. he assured me they had a bunch of upgrade kits developed and would ship one out asap when they arrived on the 26th or 27th, i called to check on the 27th and was informed they had shipped on the 19th and provided me with a tracking no.
now i think its stuck at the border...
i will let you know if and when the parts get here, and if it proves to be a good fix or not

Subscribed to see how you make out, got a friend that was looking to get one in .45 but so far they have been a poor choice in this calibre.
 
If I would have done some research on here, I wouldn't have bought it,
I still want to let a bunch of .45 fly, since I can't have a thompson, or aford a kriss,
I will wait till my foodies get here, play with it a bit, if it works..SUPER, if not the store told me full refund, if I put the refund down on a 9mm or a kriss....hmmm
 
My fingers are crossed that they can unf@ck this rifle it is my top want have rifle with 1911 mags. I will not buy a jamomatic though so I will wait and see...
 
well my upgrade kit arrived today! i have been waiting on baited breath!, installed the new parts, redesigned mag well, heavier buffer, buffer bumper/spacer kit, buffer tube extension. loaded mag with s&b 230grn
out of the box of ammo i managed to get four shots in a row several times...junk!
took it back to the store, they gave me their last .40s&w(i wanted a 9mm but they had none) and a box of ammo
brought home the carbine, loaded 10rnds in mag, mag inserted ok,(open bolt) closed bolt ran all 10 rnds .......
wtf the cure for the .45 seems to be trade it in on the 9mm or the 40sw, sad cause i wanted it in .45, if they ever get the thing to run right id still like one, but i will wait and see, if i didnt already invest in new furniture for the damn thing i would have taken home a Kel tec sub 2000.
when it comes to the .45acp JRC stands for "JUST RELEASE CRAP"
 
As a .45 JRC owner waiting for the same upgrade kit - I'm crushed to hear that. This really, really sucks.

well my upgrade kit arrived today! i have been waiting on baited breath!, installed the new parts, redesigned mag well, heavier buffer, buffer bumper/spacer kit, buffer tube extension. loaded mag with s&b 230grn
out of the box of ammo i managed to get four shots in a row several times...junk!
took it back to the store, they gave me their last .40s&w(i wanted a 9mm but they had none) and a box of ammo
brought home the carbine, loaded 10rnds in mag, mag inserted ok,(open bolt) closed bolt ran all 10 rnds .......
wtf the cure for the .45 seems to be trade it in on the 9mm or the 40sw, sad cause i wanted it in .45, if they ever get the thing to run right id still like one, but i will wait and see, if i didnt already invest in new furniture for the damn thing i would have taken home a Kel tec sub 2000.
when it comes to the .45acp JRC stands for "JUST RELEASE CRAP"
 
maybey i should have played with it more, but their fix seemed pretty hokee, instead of using a heavier buffer material, the same size, they made a longer one of the same material, then added a threaded extention in the tube to make up for the differance in lenth of the new buffer, all the brass was marked up...i just had enough. i figured trade it for a 9mm, and get a conversion kit when they got the .45 working, but now i own a .40, a caliber i didnt want at all,....all my semi pistols are 9mm or .45, now i need to buy a new set of dies, and a few hand gus in .40! :p
i ran another mag thru the .40 and at number 5 the buffer stuck in the tube and wouldnt budge!, i was in the ajoining room a half hr later and heard a clack! ran two more mags into the flower bed rapid fire, no ftf or fte???????? buffer stayed where it should, just be fore the bufff jam, i was shooting rapid fire and heard a louder "double fire" sound, i think the buffer was hanging up and not in contact with the back of the bolt when it fired....scary! luckily the round cleared the barrel as another was on its way!
i look at my norincos as "kit" guns and strip them down and give them a little love before even shooting them, apearantly arnt much better if any..made in the usa.
 
I am trying to decide on a Thureon or a Kriss right now.

Thureon plus sights...plus a better stock...plus a Magpul AFG. you are hitting $600 and the Rifle. $1700.

Kriss is unique at $1950.


I have $1700 in the 'Gun' fund.....what too do. Wait until another few months...or BUy Buy Buy!!!
 
update, dissassyed the butstock/buffer tube, found the nylon washer/disc and rubber bumper in the reverse positions shown in the online parts breakdown, related to stuck buffer?, no marks on the buffer weight itself....i will reassy, run it some more tomorrow
 
well my upgrade kit arrived today! i have been waiting on baited breath!, installed the new parts, redesigned mag well, heavier buffer, buffer bumper/spacer kit, buffer tube extension. loaded mag with s&b 230grn
out of the box of ammo i managed to get four shots in a row several times...junk!
took it back to the store, they gave me their last .40s&w(i wanted a 9mm but they had none) and a box of ammo
brought home the carbine, loaded 10rnds in mag, mag inserted ok,(open bolt) closed bolt ran all 10 rnds .......
wtf the cure for the .45 seems to be trade it in on the 9mm or the 40sw, sad cause i wanted it in .45, if they ever get the thing to run right id still like one, but i will wait and see, if i didnt already invest in new furniture for the damn thing i would have taken home a Kel tec sub 2000.
when it comes to the .45acp JRC stands for "JUST RELEASE CRAP"

a day later and i have cooled down, and realized the mag spring had been weakend,which seemed to help feeding with the old design mag well, perhaps i should have purchased a new mag spring and retested. anyone having a kit on the way dont dispair just yet!
very happy with the operation of the .40, although the mag seems to be a loose fit, it feed fine with180 grn Win Lawman, and almost as well with 180grn Rem.UMC
 
good to hear killer. I really want a .40S&W as our officers here use .40S&W. Does the Thureon take AR furniture like say a Magpul PRS?

the jrc fourty seems to runs nice, although the buffer was assembled incorrectly, and takes AR furniture, planning proper testing for it , a new to me AR, and my scope set up on my m14, as the weather is suposed to warm up sunday
 
any probs with FTEs?

Guy i know has one, will have intermittent fte's. Has replaced extractor once, llooks like the extractor is striking the flat end of the barrel/chamber and not always going in far enough to catch the rim. The way it is now the extractors will self destruct, as there is no extractor slot in the barrel/chamber.
 
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