JRC .45 - The fix is, in? - PICS

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Quick update on my ongoing saga to get a Just Right Carbine in .45 running properly. To recap:

- Got a JR in .45 back in April of '12
- Didn't run well, back to Epps for servicing in summer
- Still not running properly, spoke with JRC folks in NY in December and they shipped out a 'fix' kit that arrived last week

Why the hell am I still f'ing around with this?
- I really want an NR, modestly expensive .45 carbine that takes regular 'AR' furniture
- You might say - 'buddy just get a TD or KRISS in .45!', and in hind sight maybe you're right.
- I'm also irrationally invested in this now, so I'm going to continue on this path until it works or is destroyed.

So - the kit that arrived:

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New heavier buffer, new magwell, new bumper(s) a buffer tube 'extension' as well as some locktite and an allen key.

Here's a comparison of the old magwell next to the new one:

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New magwell furthest from the shot, you can see that the feed ramp is a bit beefier, and better sculpted than the original one.

With the magazine and a snap cap installed the difference becomes a little more pronounced:

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New magwell on the left, it seats the magazine very nicely. Compared to the original it seats the magazine a bit more tightly, and doesn't allow for over-insertion the same way the original did. Also - I think the pic shows that it's a slightly less drastic ride to the feed ramp from the magazine.

On the buffer tube side of things, the new tube is longer and heavier than the one it shipped with. I guess this explains why the buffer tube extension is needed.

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I weighed the new one, it comes in at around 10.5 oz according to this scale:

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The old one was ~8.75 on this scale, so the new one has around a couple ounces on the old one.

The buffer tube extension:

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Possibly the least elegant part of this kit. It's a piece that threads onto your existing buffer tube, and is meant to be thread locked and set in place with a set screw to your existing buffer tube. I have a UBR that expects to be right next to the receiver acting as the end plate and castle nut, which is not going to work with this fix.

I've got an LMT sopmod stock and conventional buffer tube that I'll switch to - but won't have access to it until next weekend. For now, I've put the UBR tube on, just so I can test the effectiveness of the fixes.

Before shooting:

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The UBR is sitting loosely on the tube, just figured it might feel better than planting the tube itself into my shoulder. Inserting the magazine with the bolt forward felt harder than I remembered but it went in well. Racking it was difficult on the way back, but the bolt came forward and chambered around much more smoothly than before the changes.

First three shots:

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The first three shots were silky smooth, and the perceived recoil was negligible. The heavier buffer seems to have made things a fair bit smoother!

And that, is all the good times that would be had with the JR yesterday. :(

Round 4:

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The bolt came forward, unseated the round and got stuck. Touching the bolt handle it's clear that it had come loose. When I removed the magazine it came out freely, as did the round.

On inspection it appears the bolt handle was lightly making contact with the rear of the receiver.

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There is what looks like a small metal shaving at the rear of the receiver, and the bolt handle is a write-off. I've got a couple spares.

I'm hoping that the failure today was as a result of me not having thoroughly enough 'locktite'd' the bolt hand into place. I don't think the UBR tube is any longer and a conventional carbine tube. I'm not sure if the bolt handle was loose because it wasn't fastened well enough to the bolt, or if it came loose from contact with the rear of the receiver.

I don't have my tools handy, so a further work on this will have to wait until next weekend. My plan is to:

- Disassemble, check out bolt and receiver if ok;
- Replace and locktite the crap out of the bolt handle
- Replace UBR with original buffer tube and stock that shipped with the JR
- Ensure that the bumpers included are sufficient to preclude contact of the bolt handle with the rear of the receiver
- Try, Try again...

What fun would it be if stuff just worked?
 
I'm glad to see some real changes.It would be nice if they would supply a new tube.Thats the :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug:s with the charge handle issue.Let us know when you get things back in working order.
 
So - turns out this failure was my fault. :(

From top to bottom:

ATI milspec tube
UBR tube
JR carbine commercial tube (still pinned to the stock)

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As you can see, the UBR tube has shorter threads than the other tubes. When threaded into the 'tube extender' this resulted in an extra long tube. I did some testing with it in this configuration, and even with the bumpers installed it's long enough that the bolt handle was coming all the way back and making contact with the receiver.

It seems I've gotten off lucky, the only damage was to the bolt handle which has been replaced. I've thrown on a more conventional tube and the bolt/bufferweight/bumper combo now makes contact ~8mm before the bolt handle reaches the end of the bolt handle cutout in the receiver.

Will spend some time testing again this weekend.
 
Just got off the phone with JRC. The nice lady there said they will get a kit in the mail asap. Great service. And, yes, it would be nice if the .45 carbine had worked out of the box. It didn't, however they have been extremely helpful and quick to accept responsibility for the flaws. Not a lot more you can do.
 
Just out of curiosity, how much does it weigh now sans sights etc...?

I think stock they were 6 lbs 9oz to start with, mine is pictured below in current config:

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With all this stuff on it (and a sopmod stock full of batteries) it's a hair under 9 lbs. That includes the .45 ACP upgrade kit.

If you can back out the weight of the DD 14" lite rail, EXPS3, BUIS, AFG2, mag and Inforce WML, then add back in the stock fore end it should be easy to figure out. :)

I'd honestly guess the magwell change is a wash, and that you're adding ~2 oz with the new buffer, and maybe another 2 oz with the tube extender and additional bumpers.
 
Here is how I fixed to on going problems with my JR carbine.
#1. Sold JR carbine to a friend who really , really wanted one.
#2. Bought a Thureon Defence.
The problem was completely solved with just these two simple steps.
:)
 
just curious, how did it work out for your friend?

He got it running , but sold it off. The T/D (imho) is a better built rifle .
I am just in the process of buying a second Thureon in 45acp off the EE today.
They have a little better fit and finish and I like the way the break down compared to the JR.
The JR carbine is a fun little rifle , I just think for the money the Thureon is a better buy?
 
Took it to the range today, will post pics later.

Greatest success, 9/10 rounds of full power s&b ammo out of a Glock mag. Sadly didn't fare as well with the KCIs. It was also MUCH kinder to brass, chewing only 2 of 50 cases.

I think with more work on the mags this could be getting close...
 
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