JTF2 Uses Magpul

Steve Janes said:
I gotta agree with some people. These guys clearly need some work on there rappelling, it's obvious they have had some instruction and SOME practice, but not much and by the looks of there speed not enough. I would be surprised if they had performed the actual act of rappelling out of a helicopter more than 10 times, and they certainly don't appear to be practicing as regularly as they need to remain confident in there ability. As stated earlier, when rappelling out of a helicopter there is a moment of commitment where if you hesitate you swing back in and break your jaw/face on the strut.

In the field I work in, I repel quite regularly, sometimes daily for weeks at a time. I have been doing this for close to 8 years, mind you off of buildings and stationary objects, not a moving helicopter. In no way do I think I could just jump out of a helicopter and do what these guys are doing and look as professional as they do. However, there repelling skill and knowledge of rope, and harness is clearly lacking from what I would think "special forces" would be trained in and capable of.

I think they look like they know what there doing, but my guess is they just don't get much opportunity to practice it. It's a shame, because with practice they look like they could be elite. I would expect more from Canada's best.
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Agreed.

Based on my extensive experience assaulting the container ship in Call of Duty:Modern Warfare 4, these guys would get pwned by a bunch of noobs if they moved that slowly.
 
Dog and Pony show for the PM and such is my guess. Yeah they looked a bit disorganised for a couple seconds. #### happens. And also for all of the rappel guys. Do you guys practice with leg bags very often? Not trying to call anyone out. I know from the small amount of rappelling I've done with leg bags is that it sucks. The rope never comes out of the bag as smoothly as you want it too, preventing it from feeding as cleanly as a hanging rope. Then when you hit the ground you have to unhook and take off the leg bag. I also don't know if (I hope they don't) have to use self braking devices like a prusik(sp?) knot or something in training. Which would add yet another attachment point. Just a thought
 
Ganderite said:
Sure looked it took a long time to disconnect. I would have thought they would have some kind of quick-release.
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If you watch close you see that after they hit the deck the ropes are cut/expelled from the chopper freeing the men to move and react then free the rope from their harness when appropriate. They would most likely coordinate with the second team coming in if under real threat on the ship. Remember this was a DEMO.
 
I also think part of this may have been to protect some of their TTP. Why inform anyone who has the potential of learning their TTP and how to counter them. The JTF has the ability to do fast roping, but why show the world the step by step process of their ship seizure capabilities. They way they did it showed the world they could do it, and repelling from a helicopter they way they did it is very hard. Like what one of the poster above said, if you have not done this before don't critique it.
R711 OUT
 
blaxsun said:
So I have to ask... what's with the forward-mounted EOTechs? I think I've only ever seen JTF2 mount them that way.
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Lets you use the carry handle like a carry handle! For soldierly folk who actually carry their guns and gear further than the whole car --> range distance. Or in my case, lets me jimmy-rig night vision in behind it. I like eotech's forward mounted actually. Seen them on a few AKs in the states and few VZs up here, including my own at one point.
 
blaxsun said:
So I have to ask... what's with the forward-mounted EOTechs? I think I've only ever seen JTF2 mount them that way.
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I was on a NRT and some of the guys did this as well. I know of two ex-JTF2 guys that were on it, when I was as well and neither did this with their C8s. We did not have handles, so it had nothing to do with that in our case. I summed it up to preference with regards to sight picture and focus.
 
I ran a forward mounted dot on an ARMS 50c for a while. It worked fine, I think you could make a case for reduced tunnel vision which would be beneficial for these guys.
 
So I have to ask... what's with the forward-mounted EOTechs? I think I've only ever seen JTF2 mount them that way.
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Reflex sights were originally designed for speed sports like IPSC pistol shooting. If you were to mount a red dot to a racegun pistol thats about the same distance away from your face as where JTF2 mounts their EOTECHS. The idea is that when you bring the rifle up from low ready you will be able to see the dot sooner than if it were mounted farther back on the upper receiver. It gives you an advantage of being able to target with your optic before the rifle is fully shouldered. This give you a speed advantage.
 
FTW Syntax said:
Reflex sights were originally designed for speed sports like IPSC pistol shooting. If you were to mount a red dot to a racegun pistol thats about the same distance away from your face as where JTF2 mounts their EOTECHS. The idea is that when you bring the rifle up from low ready you will be able to see the dot sooner than if it were mounted farther back on the upper receiver. It gives you an advantage of being able to target with your optic before the rifle is fully shouldered. This give you a speed advantage.
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So what about something like an Aimpoint Micro? Advantageous to mount it further forward or leave it mounted in a central location?
 
FTW Syntax said:
Reflex sights were originally designed for speed sports like IPSC pistol shooting. If you were to mount a red dot to a racegun pistol thats about the same distance away from your face as where JTF2 mounts their EOTECHS. The idea is that when you bring the rifle up from low ready you will be able to see the dot sooner than if it were mounted farther back on the upper receiver. It gives you an advantage of being able to target with your optic before the rifle is fully shouldered. This give you a speed advantage.
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You will see the dot sooner if the sight is mounted closer to the rear of the receiver, not forward.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Can you confirm thats a UMP that people were discussing earlier Nuggs?

It's pretty cool footage. I'm suprised ArmyNews hasn't pushed it harder
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It certainly looks like a HK, but it's hard to tell from the grainy footage.
Again I didn't see the assaulters onboard HMCS ST JOHNS, this is the first time seeing this side of it, with imagery from the VOI.

I know it was in the news, but all of the footage published before was from the ST JOHNS as the reviewing platform for the PMO.
 
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