June 1st Z-Day Zombie Multigun - Poco District Coquitlam BC
- Thread starter Silveragent
- Start date
Phat Eagle
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- Location
- Fraser Valley, BC
Great job today Silveragent. I thought it went very well for a first attempt!
I had a lot of fun, and so did everyone I spoke to. Bravo!
I had a lot of fun, and so did everyone I spoke to. Bravo!
I'm man enough to admit when I don't know how to do something. I'm not a child. If I lie about it I deserve to suffer the consequences. I'm an adult and I want to be treated like one.
Thanks for doing a great job putting on a fun, safe event.
Navy Cuda, I believe I understand your point of view as someone who is also an adult and who knows his own strengths and weaknesses around firearms handling.
However, from the point of view of an organizer who is representing both a club and a discipline it behooves the organizer to look out for the well being of all competitors, sponsors, the club, outsiders and the firearms community in general. As a shooter I know there are many dozens of people I would not hesitate to include in an event without any certification because I know them well and can account for their skill, maturity, knowledge and good judgement. However, unless it truly is a private closed event an organizer may be signing up many dozens of strangers who are just names with a PAL and fee.
When you say you deserve to 'suffer the consequences', please know it is not just you would suffer any consequences of a mistake. The consequences also fall upon the organizer, sponsoring group, the host club and even the region. At a bare minimum a mistake suspends or shuts down the event. This may be followed by an investigation by the police, the CFO and of course huge difficulties within the club itself that may affect shooters not just in the club but in other clubs. Just because the shooter involved signed a waiver doesn't entirely absolve all others. I don't know your background but this was very much impressed upon me as a first time sole Match Director.
In the case of this event, we decided to experiment with opening up the event in the spirit of encouraging people to find out about competitive mobile shooting while also satisfying competitors used to more dedicated events. Let me tell you there was quite a lot of debate behind the scenes about how to incorporate shooters from different disciplines and newbies and balance safety and fun. One version of this event was actually no better than just a static line shoot with no movement, no changes between firearms types, and certainly no relay team stage. Sounds fun right? And absolutely there were those who did not want to have such an event at all, and with valid concerns. There was a lot of compromise between Club safety rules, IPSC rules, and the general desire to have a competitive course of fire. In the end, the modified safety rules had to accommodate concerns from all these.
I think the success of many elements of this event were due to the experience of range officers and more veteran shooters who have undergone some form of training in whatever discipline they came from. For example, I had two ROs who regularly shoot Tacmatch at TMSA as well as three from IPSC. All of them had to quickly learn the unique safety rules for three sets of shooters. Absolutely that worked. Did it slow things down? Yes, but no one got hurt and nothing dangerous was reported (just a couple technical near violations).
Having an event that is closed to all but certified shooters provides some measure of peace of mind for organizers. You know that these shooters have had the same training, know the same commands, have a shared knowledge of set of agreed upon rules. They do not have to have things explained to them and know what a violation is and is not.
After the smoke has cleared somewhat I would love to put on another similar event based upon what we have learned.
Those of you who attended, do not hesitate to provide your feedback and suggestions to our central email: pocoextremepistol@gmail.com
However, from the point of view of an organizer who is representing both a club and a discipline it behooves the organizer to look out for the well being of all competitors, sponsors, the club, outsiders and the firearms community in general. As a shooter I know there are many dozens of people I would not hesitate to include in an event without any certification because I know them well and can account for their skill, maturity, knowledge and good judgement. However, unless it truly is a private closed event an organizer may be signing up many dozens of strangers who are just names with a PAL and fee.
When you say you deserve to 'suffer the consequences', please know it is not just you would suffer any consequences of a mistake. The consequences also fall upon the organizer, sponsoring group, the host club and even the region. At a bare minimum a mistake suspends or shuts down the event. This may be followed by an investigation by the police, the CFO and of course huge difficulties within the club itself that may affect shooters not just in the club but in other clubs. Just because the shooter involved signed a waiver doesn't entirely absolve all others. I don't know your background but this was very much impressed upon me as a first time sole Match Director.
In the case of this event, we decided to experiment with opening up the event in the spirit of encouraging people to find out about competitive mobile shooting while also satisfying competitors used to more dedicated events. Let me tell you there was quite a lot of debate behind the scenes about how to incorporate shooters from different disciplines and newbies and balance safety and fun. One version of this event was actually no better than just a static line shoot with no movement, no changes between firearms types, and certainly no relay team stage. Sounds fun right? And absolutely there were those who did not want to have such an event at all, and with valid concerns. There was a lot of compromise between Club safety rules, IPSC rules, and the general desire to have a competitive course of fire. In the end, the modified safety rules had to accommodate concerns from all these.
I think the success of many elements of this event were due to the experience of range officers and more veteran shooters who have undergone some form of training in whatever discipline they came from. For example, I had two ROs who regularly shoot Tacmatch at TMSA as well as three from IPSC. All of them had to quickly learn the unique safety rules for three sets of shooters. Absolutely that worked. Did it slow things down? Yes, but no one got hurt and nothing dangerous was reported (just a couple technical near violations).
Having an event that is closed to all but certified shooters provides some measure of peace of mind for organizers. You know that these shooters have had the same training, know the same commands, have a shared knowledge of set of agreed upon rules. They do not have to have things explained to them and know what a violation is and is not.
After the smoke has cleared somewhat I would love to put on another similar event based upon what we have learned.
Those of you who attended, do not hesitate to provide your feedback and suggestions to our central email: pocoextremepistol@gmail.com
Navycuda, I think the match organizers have standards for training certifications because if someone lied about their qualifications and caused injury to themself or others, it would reflect poorly on the organizers, the club, and the sport in general. If the accident was bad enough, it could cause a lot of problems organizing other events. The consequences would go far beyond the irresponsible person, because it would point to irresponsible supervision of the event.
*edit; I guess silver was writing something similar at the same time in more detail...
*edit; I guess silver was writing something similar at the same time in more detail...
I understand the club wanting participants to have a Black Badge or similar in order to play. However, if in the event that someone does something tragic, and has a Black Badge, the consequences are the same for all involved. The BB or other courses will not help in any way. Those courses may however prevent the incident from happening, which really, is what is wanted. I don't care who you are, where you come from or what your background is, BB, police, military or otherwise, unless I or someone I trust has vetted you, I won't let you participate in my advanced S&D classes, you have to come to a regular class first and prove to me that you know what you are doing and can do it safely. Clubs, or matches making this same requirement is quite reasonable. While there are people out there who are adult enough to admit when they don't know how to do something, there are a lot who don't, and even worse there are a lot who think they do know how, and really, they don't. When you're running around with a loaded gun, safety must be the priority, even at the expense of someones ego.
Glad you guys had fun up at the match, I'd have attended if my jaw wasn't exploding. Looking forward to pics and vids
Glad you guys had fun up at the match, I'd have attended if my jaw wasn't exploding. Looking forward to pics and vids
Scoring is up via Google docs
Individual:
http://tinyurl.com/p9omha7
Team:
http://tinyurl.com/ozxj2b8
(I have contacted a couple of you who had scoring issues. My apologies for the mixup. Somehow lost in the shuffle)
Individual:
http://tinyurl.com/p9omha7
Team:
http://tinyurl.com/ozxj2b8
(I have contacted a couple of you who had scoring issues. My apologies for the mixup. Somehow lost in the shuffle)
