Jungle Carbine Info

ebruder

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Hi,

So, I have just "inherited" a jungle carbine from my dad...

Can you guys pipe in with some info on the rifle and help me interpret the stamps?

It says "No5Mk1 ROF(F)" on the receiver

Below this it has an elecropencil mark 1/45 and then a 1 letter and 4 digit serial number.

There are no other serial numbers anywhere on the rifle...

Any general info about these marks would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

EB
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Well, No5, is a Jungle rifle...

ROF(F) is Royal Ordnance Factory (Fazakerley) - UK

1/45 likely made in january 1945...

1 letter and 4 digits would be the serial number.

We'd like pictures :)
 
Dirty Gun

Hi,

So I took the stock off today, just to take a look... man is it ever dirty... but it's covered in this bright green grease... I'm not sure I want to clean it off...

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The stock is in really rough shape, but all the metal looks very good... the SN matches on the stock, but like I said earlier... there's no SN on the mag, or bolt... just the receiver and an abreviated SN on the forestock...

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I can't wait to see how it shoots... anyone have any leads on cheap .303???

EB
 
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ebruder said:
Hi,

So I took the stock off today, just to take a look... man is it ever dirty... but it's covered in this bright green grease... I'm not sure I want to clean it off...

[I'll put a picture here later... photobucket is down right now]

The stock is in really rough shape, but all the metal looks very good... the SN matches on the stock, but like I said earlier... there's no SN on the mag, or bolt... just the receiver and an abreviated SN on the forestock...

I can't wait to see how it shoots... anyone have any leads on cheap .303???

EB
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There is no cheap .303 ammunition except that which you reload yourself. Wish there was.
Make sure you clean any grease out of the barrel before firing it and clean well afterward too, especially if you're firing surplus ammo which is highly likely to be corrosive.
 
ebruder said:
Hi,

So, I have just "inherited" a jungle carbine from my dad...

Can you guys pipe in with some info on the rifle and help me interpret the stamps?

It says "No5Mk1 ROF(F)" on the receiver

Below this it has an elecropencil mark 1/45 and then a 1 letter and 4 digit serial number.

There are no other serial numbers anywhere on the rifle...

Any general info about these marks would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

EB
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You would be better off reloading or shooting factory ammo,the military stuff is usually corrosive and a pain in the ass to clean it all out of the rifle.
 
Green stuff............
Its likely paint ..........yes paint, they were painted to protect them form jungle conditions

so chances are yours is a vet ............I have also seen one or two immaculate ones (one in the hands of a cgner ......) with no paint ..........I am thinking it was unissued
 
The grease is probably cosmoline. This is normally used by the military to prevent rusting during long term storage. Sometimes, it's a bi@tch to remove. Dis-assemble all parts as much as possible. Wipe off as much cosmoline as you can with old rags, then use varsol to remove the rest. Give it a good wipe with gun oil and re-assemble. As said before, make sure the bore is nice and clean and you're good to go.
 
ebruder said:
Thanks guys...

Can anyone tell me what the green stuff is?

EB
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I had never seen it, but I have read references to some tropical green paint or something...Peter Laidler, armourer who served in Malaya, claims they didn't use green paint, but there it is in the pics.

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It is paint
There is probably a supporting screw in the forestock. The Indians painted a lot of JC's for the explicit purpose of corrosion control in the tropical high humidity environment.
 
Cantom


The least you could do is give credit to the person who spent the time to track down the Enfield manuals and data, and the web site you got the info from.

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bigedp51 said:
Cantom


The least you could do is give credit to the person who spent the time to track down the Enfield manuals and data, and the web site you got the info from.




No problem. I read Jouster Enfield and this site constantly and I posted the pics of the action on Jouster and got the pic of the data there too. Nice find for all concerned, if we have to worry about hurt feelings for cross posting anything then the info will just stay hidden...my desire is for all of us to learn all we can about this subject from wherever the info can come from. It's not like I seek any credit in any way.


Re: Green paint? on Jungle Carbine *No Text Inside* *PIC Inside*

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http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/lee-enfield/lee-enfield.pl?read=53483
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Cantom

You are 100% correct and my underwear must be too tight today

My apogees the very first two manuals donated to me were from the old GunNuts forum.

The rusty No.5 is an unpainted Malaysian import that was sent back. (not by me)

What do you think the Jellied Petroleum (Vasoline) did for accuracy or the “wondering Zero” myth/problem and why the 1940 PAM (mini-manual update) states to remove the grease and paint all surfaces below the wood line.

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The green stuff doesn't feel like paint... it feels really greasy... maybe the paint is getting really old... or maybe there's grease on top of the paint...

EB
 
i would leave the paint(grease) on if possible.a buddies #5 has faded paint on the top parts(i was thinking of buying it).check the front sight to see if it's all the way over to the right.my buddies' is 'cause those receivers twisted when fired.enfield tried to lighten the rifle and took a lot of "meat" when machining from the metal.that's why the guns weren't adopted into full production.
 
It Was Paint

Well... that was the filthiest rifle I've ever cleaned... and I've cleaned alot of rifles! I took grime off that rifle that in all likelihood last saw the light of day as mud in the jungle of south east Asia over 40 years ago... man that was filthy...

That being said, I took the grease off, and the green stayed... it was paint...

That was my first time (it's my first enfield) disassembling an enfield... very elegant... simple... but elegant... I guess I need to buy a firing pin tool to completely disassemble the bolt... and when I do, I'll get that apart and clean!

Also, there is a screw in the forestock... does that mean it was produced for India? or did India adopt surplus rifles after the war from Britain?

EB
 
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