Just a FYI about Norinco Magazines and USGI Chargers.

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Well when I picked up my M1A yesterday seeing as it shipped with one of thouse flush 5 round sporter magazines, and looking at the wall where the store carried a whole lot of magazine they had 20 or so more sporters (Chinese ones based on being marked "M305/M14") on the wall, and a single 5/20 magazine (Current/Original capacity) I picked it up.

Anyways the magazine is a Norinco M14S/M305 magazine and I tried to use a USGI SEI magazine charger on the magazine and its a bear to insert and remove (ie need to force it using a fixed object like a table).

The SAI Sporter does not require this and pushing a charger on and off works well and quickly.

Thought someone may like to know.

Dimitri
 
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it's just that particular mag- all of mine ( chinese and usgi) accept the charger with no problems- or maybe that charger- i think i've got about 30 of them( we could get them 5/50 bucks back in the day)- i've got one well used charger that slips on and off like butter-fyi, certain bayonet lugs are loose on the m6 as well, while others are snug, and some need a lot of "encouragement- yet they're all usgi
 
Couldn't you just slip the stripper clips down in through the charger that is mounted as part of the rifle, and load the mag on the rifle?

Sure saves changing mags all the time.
 
T-Star,

Glad to hear that, and none of the few USGI chargers would work. Even after first testing them on the SAI one that they fit right. :)

Yes it does but its problematic when I eventually scope the rifle. :)

Dimitri
 
i have an SEY stamped usgi charger, works smooth as silk on every norc m14 mag i own, both 5/5 mags and 5/20's.... 12 and counting ;) plus the two new ones i got the other day..... read this thread and tried em all.
 
Guess I got a dud. :(

Oh well it holds 5 rounds just fine, and I'm going to end up ordering 5/10 round SAI/CMI magazines anyways for everyday use. Bought this one as it was the only one bigger then 5 round sporter/flush magazines at the store. :)

By the way I just realized I wrote SEI up top as the mag chargers manufacture but its SEY! :(

Dimitri
 
lawn gnome said:
Couldn't you just slip the stripper clips down in through the charger that is mounted as part of the rifle, and load the mag on the rifle?

Sure saves changing mags all the time.
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You can but I think the idea is to have lots of spare filled magazines before you go shooting. Using your rifle as a mag charger is probably extra wear and tear on it, plus any time you are sitting with a rifle with ammo in it there is a chance of an incident. Much better off to sit in front of the TV with 20 magazines and a case of ammunition and fill them all up there.
 
ok here's the scoop as figured out by the us army- average load out is 4 -20 round mags in pouches and one 20 round mag in the rifle- that's 100 rounds - that's your READY TO USE ammo- then there's your bandoliers, which are 6 pouches of 10 rounds with a mag charger issued with each bandolier- that's your BACK UP AMMO-to fill the mags when there's a lull in the fighting, or whenever- the charger clip on the rifle is only there for an emergency recharge of the rifle if you have no mags left except for the one in the rifle,and your rounds are on stripper clips - basically a shtf situation- if you notice , you'll see some marines now wearing as many as 4 or more 30 round pouches in front- that's 360 rounds ready to use- and they still issue the charger with the bandloier, although now they're 10 round stripper clips and 7 pouch bandoliers
 
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T-Star, yes they carry 30 round magazines for the M-16's and M-4's now. But I thought they went to a newer 4 pouch bandoleer for that series of rifles to carry 120 rounds per bandoleer instead of the old 140 rounds (which is a odd number as compared to the capacity of magazines) with 7 pockets. :)

I'd rather fill them out of the rifle myself, just a extra little step to prevent a possible slam fire if the round doesn't properly seat in the magazine when charged with the stripper clip from the rifles charger. :)

Dimitri
 
I keep thinking that I'll wear out my magazine well, way before I'll ever put that much wear on my barrel and action.

Thoughts of erosion now have me thinking of David Suzuki. I suspect this will take a few hours of dry firing at the CPAC channel to wash away the impurities.
 
Dimitri said:
T-Star, yes they carry 30 round magazines for the M-16's and M-4's now. But I thought they went to a newer 4 pouch bandoleer for that series of rifles to carry 120 rounds per bandoleer instead of the old 140 rounds (which is a odd number as compared to the capacity of magazines) with 7 pockets. :)

I'd rather fill them out of the rifle myself, just a extra little step to prevent a possible slam fire if the round doesn't properly seat in the magazine when charged with the stripper clip from the rifles charger. :)

Dimitri
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they may very well have- the bandloier i'm talking about is nam issue- i have no idea what the newer issue looks like- the 140 does make sense when you consider 20 round mags- ie 6 20 round mags and a 7th in the gun- remember, the first m16 purpose built held 4 mags for a total of 80 rounds, not 3/90- as for the slamfire, 1 the bolt is blocked by the stripper clip, and your bolt lock/hold open device should also prevent the bolt from going into battery until you release it- remember, this is a CENTRE FIRE ROUND- the only way
you're going to get a slam fire is with something hitting the primer( protuding firing pin ,or blockage)
a poorly seated round isn't going to do it- or unless you drop a round into the chamber and slam the bolt forward-
the nature of the stripper clip doesn't allow you to poorly seat the round- you push down on the rear of the round and each seats at the rear of the mag- some folks also use the end of the combo tool to get extra leverage to do this, but i never needed to
then when you're done. you pull the stripper clip out, and even if the bolt lock does fail and the bolt goes forward, all it does is put a round into the chamber and go into battery- just a little faster than you expected-
IT DOES NOT SLAM FIRE
 
lawn gnome said:
I keep thinking that I'll wear out my magazine well, way before I'll ever put that much wear on my barrel and action.

Thoughts of erosion now have me thinking of David Suzuki. I suspect this will take a few hours of dry firing at the CPAC channel to wash away the impurities.
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some of my rifles are 60's issue- if 3 or 4 generations of soldiers can't wear them out, what makes you THINK you can
 
T-Star,

I ment the possibility of not fully inserting the stripper clip properly and having the bolt slam home on a loose round, that may cause a out of battery fire. :eek:

Dimitri
 
you cannot fully insert the stripper clip- on every rifle i have , you can only insert it with the bolt retracted, or it falls out of the gun- once the stripper clip is inserted in the slot, it rests against the mag, and prevents the bolt from going forward- any DOWNWARD PRESSURE on the round is going to seat the round in the mag- you have far more chance of chambering a loose round from a mag change and getting a mag with a poorly seated first round because of bent feed lips or something than feeding off stripper clips
 
t-star said:
some folks also use the end of the combo tool to get extra leverage to do this, but i never needed to
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Wait until you catch your thumb on the end of the stripper clip by accident. You will then start using the combo tool to push.:)

As far as all the wear and tear stuff goes, I can't imagine you could ever wear these out, but go back to the lots of ammo stuff. Do you really want to be reloading your rifle by inserting a stripper clip, etc when people are shooting at you? Hell no!

Plus you lose the stripper clip option as soon as you add a scope mount.
 
1 thing to add on the current issue 4 pouch bandoleers .There is a pull string that can be removed and you can carry 4 filled M14 mags in there !
Works great as does a M60 link pouch ,you can get 5 in there I believe .
A great welfare method for carring mags !
 
Dimitri said:
T-Star,

I ment the possibility of not fully inserting the stripper clip properly and having the bolt slam home on a loose round, that may cause a out of battery fire. :eek:

Dimitri
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Not going to happen.

You won't have anything like that happen. The bolt is held by the bolt stop, the stripper clip goes half-way in and the notches hold it. Should the bolt release, the stipper clip acts as a stop(the stripper clip is a good thing to use for cleaning as well.

As each round is stripped from the clip, it is fed right into the mag lip. There shouldn't be any loosey goosey rounds about anywhere.
 
Been a while since this thread was in use but I thought I would add to this thread rather than start a new one...

I have norinco magazines, USGI mag chargers, and unknown 5rnd stripper clips (slightly curved. The problem I am having is that when the charger is on the mag, and I put a stripper clip in the charger, instead of stopping against something the clip slips down into the top of the magazine with the ammo. Any ideas why? The charger seems to fit the magazine fine - did I get the wrong clips? Should I be using straight clips?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
more than likely the lips on the charger are spread- there's little"bumps"on the sides of the stripper clip that engage slots in the charger- if those don't mesh, the clip slides straight into the magazine- i used stripper clips off the fnc1 and they work just fine- it could also be that your "bumps" are worn off- either way, these things were SUPPOSED to be a one-time use expedieant- that's why the metal tabs break off on the imported 223 ones- the canadian ones, made of plastic , don't- but they use a unique charger as well
as far as a solution goes, you may be able to use a vise or a set of vise-grips to tighten the lips around the stripper-but if the bumps are gone, you're sol
the way to do is to stick the stripper in the charger and then tighten exactly where the bump engages the slot-if the sides are smooth, then you've got the wrong clips- all the clips are slightly curved
 
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