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Subject: Pistol practice

Pistol: 9 mm CZ Shadow

Sight/Laser: Viridian Green dot W/Tactical light (C5L)

Thought I would trow this out here for to see what you think about "training" with a green dot laser?

I am sure I will get more negative than positive reply but its just a question!

Thanks in advance
 
Don't think that will benefit in getting the muscle memory for lining up the open sights as your draw your side arm.
But hey...it'll look cool :)
 
What are yhou asking.
Are you shooting live ammo and using a laser?
Are you dryfiring and using the laser to determine where your hits are?

If you are shooting and have a laser on you pistol, it can be an assistance in difficult sighting situations, however it does not replace the use of sights.
 
Sosa, and all Thanks for the replys so far.

Sosa, I am asking to use a laser with live firing and in conjunction with sights.

ALWAYS with sights first.

The reason I ask is in the military we train by repitision so that in a "situation" the training becomes second nature and takes over. A reaction and reflex.

Trials were done with conventional training (normal sidearm 9 mm drills) and hybrid training where a guy would use SIGHTs and a green dot laser all the time.

The results were much in the favour of the green dot method. More consistent and accurate Highest Possable Score (HPS) and more central grouping to the center on the target.

The visual aid of a green or red dot certainly aided the improvement throught training.

All I am saying is it couldn't hurt to stick a laser on the accessory rail, zero the laser to the pistol and almost forget about it. Still apply the principles of using sights first but it is amazing on how the eye and brain become "trained" to subconsciously be aware of the green dot.

Hope I have explained myself?
 
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Yeah, until your batteries run out, or you pick up a pistol without a laser. Then you're all ‘where's the dot?’ as you blast holes in the target next lane over.

You can certainly use a laser to aid in learning how to point, and if it's set up correctly for the ammo and distance it will confirm when you have the proper sight picture. But the tendency of most will be to rely on that little dot; there's no substitute for practising with the sights.
 
I'm a handgun noob, but I think the laser would be good for dry fire practice to learn proper trigger pull and show the results of doing it wrong.
I know, buy it, use it, and rent it out for others to practice haha............ps: Kadet kit in the mail.
 
red_bailey said:
Yeah, until your batteries run out, or you pick up a pistol without a laser. Then you're all ‘where's the dot?’ as you blast holes in the target next lane over.

You can certainly use a laser to aid in learning how to point, and if it's set up correctly for the ammo and distance it will confirm when you have the proper sight picture. But the tendency of most will be to rely on that little dot; there's no substitute for practising with the sights.
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LMAO.

Hmmmmm I just read your reply twice! Yes twice because it sounded slightly ridiculous.

Not sure what your level of skill, ability and safety you use on the range, nor am I sure what you shot and how long you have been around firearms but seriously!!!! Do you really think that by putting a dot laser on your weapon will instantly make the shooter an complete novice/newbie, I mean so bad that he/she will suddenly: and I quote "blast holes in the target next lane over."

I do however agree with you statement regarding sight picture. I guess that's the whole point of this excessive. All I'm saying is if you don't try things and mix it up a little then you much reduce the chance of improving. Lets face it its all about practicing as much as the pocket or MasterCard will allow, and have some fun.

I just got back from the range with a buddy popping tin cans with his Desert Eagle. Fun stiff!

Thanks for you comment, I will take it on board like all the comments here.

BTW as for the foam cutting skills, I'm working on it!
 
Lead hammer said:
I'm a handgun noob, but I think the laser would be good for dry fire practice to learn proper trigger pull and show the results of doing it wrong.
I know, buy it, use it, and rent it out for others to practice haha............ps: Kadet kit in the mail.
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Glad the Kadet is on its way. Sometimes it's definite like trying to find a needle in a hay bail! it just takes a quick post on here and then the search for "sold out" items becomes Canada wide, East to West. Other CGN members are like a Yellow pages for local knowledge to there firearm supplier, which then becomes your local supplier for that one time item.

:)
 
NaOH said:
Shoot 1000 rounds through your pistol and you won't need the laser. Muscle memory is more important in my opinion.
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Thanks Salt man!

1000 rounds of 9mm = $300

How many can the average guy hit? 600/1000, 800/1000?

Ammo conservation is certainly increased with a "visual" aid such as a dot laser IMHO. Maybe with a laser as a training aid you can get closer to 900/1000 round on the target.

Could you explain muscle memory for us all please.
 
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lemonsorbie said:
Thanks Salt man!

1000 rounds of 9mm = $300

How many can the average guy hit? 600/1000, 800/1000?

Ammo conservation is certainly increased with a "visual" aid such as a dot laser IMHO. Maybe with a laser as a training aid you can get closer to 900/1000 round on the target.

Could you explain muscle memory for us all please.
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Muscle memory. Draw your gun, aim down the sights, pull the trigger. Do it slowly and accurately. After doing this a number of times you'll find that the need for a laser to hit your target is no longer there. It will be instinctual. If anything the laser will slow you down while you look for the dot.

If you only want this for dry firing, to see if your gun is moving, I still don't think you need it. When I'm dry firing I can see how much my gun moves just by looking down the sights. If you're watching a dot, you can't be watching your sights. This seems counterproductive to me.

You asked a question then you seem to jump on people with a different answer than yours. Do as you please. As always YMMV.
 
Hey NaOH,

"You asked a question then you seem to jump on people with a different answer than yours. Do as you please. As always YMMV."[/QUOTE]

I'm not bashing anyone, just saying that by adding a light to you weapon doesn't mean you suddenly start switching you point of aim to the next lane.

I appologise if it came across that way.
 
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No worries, sometimes it's hard to understand someone from a written post.

I agree, you won't change lanes, but in my experience the laser isn't a big help. If it works for you run with it.
 
lemonsorbie said:
LMAO.

Hmmmmm I just read your reply twice! Yes twice because it sounded slightly ridiculous.
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Read it again.

What I said was if you get used to the laser, when you turn the laser off you will have forgotten how to aim normally. Not necessarily you in particular, but the general ‘you’ is a bunch of lazy people.

Read any advice about pistol shooting: the most important is to focus on the front sight. That green dancing dot takes your focus down-range; most people will be looking at the target, but you can consciously switch focus back to the sight and see a fuzzy dot. You can train someone very well to aim only with a laser, or to use a laser as an aiming aid, but when you put a pistol in their hand with NO laser, they might slide back to square one.

I've shot with a laser. In order to be dead-on with the laser, you need to tune it for the gun, the ammunition, the distance, and the sight picture you will use. Unless you're happy with the dot being ‘close enough,’ it takes a lot of fiddling that is better spent learning sight picture.
 
Hey red_bailey,

Like I said in my last reply, I didn't mean to bash your input.

Sorry if it came across that way.

You are correct about the sight picture and focusing aspect of aiming. All I know is when we trained in the military for the real ####, lasers helped in the accuracy of where rounds fell and acquiring the target.

I don't want to sound big headed or even arrogant but when you are faced with a target that is flesh and blood, it certainly heightens ones senses and is completely different to popping balloons at the range.

Again my sincere apologies.
 
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