Just bought a push feed, it's even likely going to Africa.
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With a .470" diameter case head for the 9.3X62 and .473" for the '06, I doubt if any modern rifle in good condition would know the difference, as there has to be allowances for dimensional tolerances of ammunition made by many manufacturers.
Rim diameter of the 9.3 is .470", but the head diameter is .476", slightly greater than the head dia. of the .30-06. Depending on how close to minimum dimensions your 9.3 chamber is, there will be a bulge at the base of converted .30-06 brass to a greater or lesser degree.
Since 9.3x62 is a lot more common than it once was, I don't see the need to convert '06 brass. Nice to know it can be done in a pinch though.
Since 9.3x62 is a lot more common than it once was, I don't see the need to convert '06 brass. Nice to know it can be done in a pinch though.
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You would if you knew how much '06 brass I have. The conversion is simple, and doesn't cost a buck a round, in fact, my .30-.40 neck expander has paid for its self in spades. I've been known to use .30/06 brass when I've run low on .270 head-stamped brass, and its unlikely that I would source out .280 Remington head-stamped brass or 6.5-06 head-stamped brass should I ever acquire a rifle so chambered. Ditto .338-06, .35 Whelen, or .375 Scovile.
The 9.3 has a slightly larger web diameter of .473" according to Nosler, although real life case measurements frequently differ from SAMMI. We've all heard horror stories of sloppy chambers in old 98 Mausers, so curiosity got the better of me, and I measured the web of a Federal .30/06 case that I've fire formed in my 9.3 Husky. The fire formed case has a web diameter of .4725", with soft headed Federal brass at that. I don't see how spending the money on 9.3 head-stamped brass would make my life any easier or safer, unless I was to make trip overseas with a 9.3 rifle. A web diameter difference of .003" of has no bearing on the reports of possible malfunctions that Gunslinger referred to. IMHO, any such malfunctions can be traced back to a faulty or out of spec rifle.
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Before buying some Graf 9.3 brass I used some old R-P 06 brass and then bought 100 R-P 35 Whelen brass to make 360 Wagner from. They both functioned perfectly through my CZ 550 FS and this is what I used to harvest my walrus. It seems to be a flawless conversion as long as you neck oversize and re-establish the shoulder correctly, or seat the bullet hard into the lands for fireforming.
When I reworked my 35 Wln brass I bumped it up to 416 then took it back down with ther 9.3 die to set the shoulder, then I took about 1/8" of the neck down to 35 cal with my 350 RM die and used a bunch of old pistol bullets to fireform the cases. I had several hundred 200 gn Speers left over from my handgun silouette days for my 357 Herret. The amazing thing was as I was blowing out cases I started to notice these bullets, which are .006" undersize were going pretty much where they were aimed. So I settled in and did some aimed shooting at a couple hundred yards and I was amazed that they were holding minute of six pack box at that range. They must have been soft enough jackieted to slug up under the pressure and seal the bore and engage the rifling somewhat. I just found it interesting.
When I reworked my 35 Wln brass I bumped it up to 416 then took it back down with ther 9.3 die to set the shoulder, then I took about 1/8" of the neck down to 35 cal with my 350 RM die and used a bunch of old pistol bullets to fireform the cases. I had several hundred 200 gn Speers left over from my handgun silouette days for my 357 Herret. The amazing thing was as I was blowing out cases I started to notice these bullets, which are .006" undersize were going pretty much where they were aimed. So I settled in and did some aimed shooting at a couple hundred yards and I was amazed that they were holding minute of six pack box at that range. They must have been soft enough jackieted to slug up under the pressure and seal the bore and engage the rifling somewhat. I just found it interesting.
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Well the Sauer forest takedown landed- what a sweet little package. Hefty, but not overly, but weight stays "between the hands" like a double so it points extremely well. High viz sights, so targets get picked up in a flash, and really enjoy the safety, almost thoughtless manipulation. Grabbed some Norma ammo and off to the races, now looking forward to the double, still in the mail.
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Good luck with your double. Are you going to use the double for hunting this year? I am using a plain old Brno 803 9.3x74 over under this year. I adjusted the regulation for a top charge of R15 pushing 250g accubonds. Scopped it seems to be a very accurate double. Easily 200yard capable, probably much further though I haven't tried. Its an ugly looking rifle good thing it shoots better than it looks.
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Oh and good luck with the Sauer too.
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I had one of those, and the 802 Combo gun. Both well made, but real ugly. I think Brno focused on metal finishing and the wood finishing was just an afterthought. Good thing we have Tung oil!
The "real thing" about the 9.3X62 is the CIP Spec;
Case head is 12.10mm - 0.10mm (max 0.476" / min 0.472" - actually 0.47244")
Chamber at case head dimension min 12.13mm + 0.10mm (min 0.478" / max 0.482")
Most of my rifle chambers are about 0.4795" about 0.200" above bottom of the rim.
Case head is 12.10mm - 0.10mm (max 0.476" / min 0.472" - actually 0.47244")
Chamber at case head dimension min 12.13mm + 0.10mm (min 0.478" / max 0.482")
Most of my rifle chambers are about 0.4795" about 0.200" above bottom of the rim.
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Ardent,
we had two guys in our hunting association back in europe time with take down Sauer 202 and the only problem found was the first shot after assembly back a little off the settings but each time the second shot was perfect. it was with a 7x64 and a 9,3x62 ... it may be an adjustment in the internal settings ... never seen that with blaser 93 and mauser 03.
we had two guys in our hunting association back in europe time with take down Sauer 202 and the only problem found was the first shot after assembly back a little off the settings but each time the second shot was perfect. it was with a 7x64 and a 9,3x62 ... it may be an adjustment in the internal settings ... never seen that with blaser 93 and mauser 03.
I've heard from separate sources that on normal 202 this issue is eliminated by engaging disengaging barrel lock lever several times during assembly. After you lock unlock the barrel couple of times it sits perfectly and wont shift after the first shot, such that point of the impact remains pristine.
Should be the same on take down versions I guess.
Should be the same on take down versions I guess.
Owlowl,
the TD is not exactly made as the regular 202. especially on the barrel nut.
the 202 regular has another issue when you remove the scope with EAW or QR Leupold systems there is some minor fittings and you remove the barrel.
this is certainly due to where the scope is mounted and maybe your trick will work. something to try.
the TD is not exactly made as the regular 202. especially on the barrel nut.
the 202 regular has another issue when you remove the scope with EAW or QR Leupold systems there is some minor fittings and you remove the barrel.
this is certainly due to where the scope is mounted and maybe your trick will work. something to try.
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Thanks guys for all the tips and encouragement. Rep. Of Alberta, I'd love to hunt the double this year, not sure if I will though as I only have Sheep and Elk tags, long shots, high up stuff. The Forest takedown feels like the sensible solution but have to admit, the double gets my pulse up more.
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Sweet gig there Ardent....I just bought my second 366 Wagner...I really really like them. I'm digging that 202 you've got...now if I could just get out of the soon to be frozen north and get home for some hunting.....that norma x74R your sold me flys perfect out of the No1 as well....a new to me 375 is still sitting in the safe after 6 months......the 9.3's are too much fun
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Good stuff, work's keeping you in the high latitudes still eh? Well I had a range night last night, shooting a couple of .375's to keep it simple, haven't run the 202 takedown yet. Here's the last of the guns to arrive, it's a good deal of fun enjoying it.
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Hey cool looking rig Ardent. I'd be interested in what you think it real world useful distance is...can you dump a deer at a 100ys?
Ya I seem to get one shift up here every year....jobs are kinda fun so that keeps me sane
Ya I seem to get one shift up here every year....jobs are kinda fun so that keeps me sane
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Extraction looks beefy, I see you've got some scope mounts on there too.
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Yes Recknagel pivot lock quick detach, which when I get that far will prove handy I'm sure, I'll sight in just the better shooting of the two barrels. Unfortunately it's an extremely pricey system, the rings on their own are $1,100 from Wolverine, not including bases and not fitted. Length of pull and fit on the hog's back Merkel stock are perfect for me, prefer it to the straight comb. Right now, though I've yet to haul the 202 Forest takedown to the range, I can already tell I'm much more of a double guy for a travel 9.3 / .375 medium bore, though it surprised me as logic dictated the 202 takedown more functional for me. Perhaps it is, but it doesn't feel as natural, nor is it as interesting to me, as the double. No qualms with the rimless extraction and ejection, it is very positive and kicks the cases out aggressively. Despite being heavier, at 10lbs 9oz, the double is lighter in the hands than my RSM due to the weight being closer, back towards the shooter. It also seems to recoil more than my RSM from a sighting perspective due to the higher bore axis raising the muzzles more, I presume. I don't mean in the actual punch of the recoil, but the overall effect looking down range when firing and how the rifle jumps on firing, the double really moves where the RSM sits quite level. Also contending with a bit of torque off the center axis I'm sure, just don't notice it as much with double shotguns due to the lighter recoil I suppose, my principal double experience being somewheres about 10,000 rounds greater with side by side shotguns and target loads than double rifles. Due to these considerations I actually have to say though while very comfortable in recoil, I think if going above .450-400 3" in a rifle for power I'd be looking to a .458 Lott bolt action. This is personal preference, as many will choose the quicker handling double and rightly so if it works for them, it's just I'm so used to American stock (straight comb, low bore axis) bolt action recoil characteristics for kicking cartridges I'd find it an awkward change to real recoiling doubles above .450-400.
'pitched I shot it offhand at 100 yards, on a 12" (or so, whatever they are) shoot-n-c stick on target someone had left up and hit with only small bores. It was easy to put both rounds onto the target offhand the first try (300gr Federal), doesn't tell me anything yet about how tight the barrels shoot to each other, just that it would certainly dump deer! I'm waiting to test the barrels, and group each one individually to determine which I sight in, when I mount the scope.
'pitched I shot it offhand at 100 yards, on a 12" (or so, whatever they are) shoot-n-c stick on target someone had left up and hit with only small bores. It was easy to put both rounds onto the target offhand the first try (300gr Federal), doesn't tell me anything yet about how tight the barrels shoot to each other, just that it would certainly dump deer! I'm waiting to test the barrels, and group each one individually to determine which I sight in, when I mount the scope.
