Just can't properly set up my new Hornady Taper Crimp Seater Die, need help

Paulo71

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Hello,

I'm new on this site and new to reloading. I recently purchased an Hornady LOCK-N-LOAD AP RELOADING PRESS and for some reason I can't get the press properly set up. Especially the Crimp Seater Die will not set the bullet and crimp properly no matter what I try to do...watched all the videos, read all the instructions...tried hundreds of bullets, purchased a new set of dies...nothing works.

What am I doing wrong? Is there a course out there that I can take to learn (Gatineau region...near Ottawa).

Suggestions? I paid big bucks for this system and I'm desperate to make this work. I appreciate any help, suggestions ,etc.

Thank you...

Paulo71
 
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Hello,

I'm new on this site and new to reloading. I recently purchased an Hornady LOCK-N-LOAD AP RELOADING PRESS and for some reason I can't get the press properly set up. Especially the Crimp Seater Die will not set the bullet and crimp properly no matter what I try to do...watched all the videos, read all the instructions...tried hundreds of bullets, purchased a new set of dies...nothing works.

What am I doing wrong? Is there a course out there that I can take to learn (Gatineau region...near Ottawa).

Suggestions? I paid big bucks for this system and I'm desperate to make this work. I appreciate any help, suggestions ,etc.

Thank you...

Paulo71
What do you mean by it won't set the bullet & crimp? What exactly is the problem? Pics would help?
 
usually the taper crimp or factory crimp is not a seating die

you basically set your seating die to remove the belling on the brass, and set the seating adjustment to the OAL you need. Then you have the non crimped round in the next stage, and lower the crimp die until you feel resistance, and tighten accordingly until you get the desired crimp (usually when the round will fit in the REMOVED barrel of the pistol, or case gauge.
 
The die is made to seat the bullet in the case and crimp all in one...my bullets never seat at the same measurement in the casing and 95% of the time the crimp does not work...if I old the bullet while holding the case and turn it...its loose and sometimes completely sinks inside the case...other times it crimps hard but top of bullet is crushed and shows a ring around the tip ...will try and upload pics...

Thanks for trying to help...much appreciated
 
The die is made to seat the bullet in the case and crimp all in one...my bullets never seat at the same measurement in the casing and 95% of the time the crimp does not work...if I old the bullet while holding the case and turn it...its loose and sometimes completely sinks inside the case...other times it crimps hard but top of bullet is crushed and shows a ring around the tip ...will try and upload pics of the die...

Thanks for trying to help...much appreciated

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if its a 3 die set you only have;
•Full-length Sizing Die
•Adjustable Case Mouth Expander Die
•Bullet Seater Die, & Roll Crimp


if you have a 4 die set you have;
•Full-length Sizing Die
•Adjustable Case Mouth Expander Die
•Bullet Seater Die
•Bullet Taper/Factory Crimp Die

the only difference is the 4 die set will crimp better for pistol loads

I am guessing you only have the 3 die set, and your crimp is NOT a taper crimp. Taper crimps I have seen don't have a seating adjustment

like I said before was for a 4 die set.

In your case, back off the seating adjustment, and put in the proper insert (for flat nose, or round nose)
after your second die bells out the mouth, just using the case in the upstroke, slowly adjust the die downward until the walls are almost straight again. Having a nice micrometer is good for measuring this also.
now you need to set the bullet OAL, over all length. You do this by adding the bullet to the belled out brass, and on the upstroke in the die, slowly adjust the seating screw until the desired length

once you get the desired length, back off the screw 1/4 turn, and lower the die 1/4 turn. Take another measurement, make adjustments to the seating screw until you get the desired OAL

hope it works for you.

PS: invest in a Taper or Factory crimp if you are using these loads for a pistol. cheap and makes things run better in the pistol.
 
I have the 3 die set. Mine is a taper and does have a seating adjustment.
...you wrote something that I may not be using...the proper insert for flat nose...I did not know they would be different for round and flat...let me look into that...
yes I'm loading 9mm pistol...
I will try following your recommendation and will also call Hornady so that they can maybe help over the phone...thanks
 
its loose and sometimes completely sinks inside the case.
Did you size the case first? If it is loose then the case isn't sized enough or at all. The first step is size and deprime. Make sure the sizing die touches the shell holder then screw it in a bit more, 1/4 turn. Then you have a sized case.
 
I've wondered about that when he said he could rotate or sink a projectile by hand... that would seem to indicate the brass is not even sized yet.

I use the same exact die for the same exact caliber, and I don't have the troubles he's having. It's a bit of a pain to adjust (counterintuitive), certainly, but it works.

Paulo: to adjust that die:

1. Check that you're using the correct seating stem. For flat-nose bullets, use the one with the full flat contact surface. For ogive bullets, use the one that is hollow.
2. Screw the die into a bushing, insert the bushing into the press and twist to lock it in place.
3. Raise up the shall plate by pushing the lever down.
4. Screw or unscrew the die in the bushing so that the die body (not just the alignment sleeve inside it) barely contacts the shell plate. The alignment sleeve will be pushed up inside the die body, that's normal.
5. Screw down the lock ring against the bushing and tighten the hex screw to fix it in place.
6. Bring the shell plate down.

Ok, that sets the die itself in proper position. Now, the first adjustment is temporary only, just to make a "proof round" that will have the right OAL.

7. Unscrew the crimp adjust lock ring and seat adjust lock ring. Basically, make the two lock rings loose.
8. Unscrew the crimp adjust screw by a few full turns, and do the same with the seat adjust screw. The idea is that when you put a case+bullet in the plate raise it into the die at the next stage, there will be no action at all: no crimping, no pushing the bullet into the case (i.e. no seating).
9. Place a case that has been sized and belled in the shall plate, and place a bullet on it. Raise the plate by pressing down the lever.
10. Tighten the seat adjust screw until you feel it contact the bullet. Then give it a half turn more, to push the bullet into the case a little.
11. Take down the shell plate, take out the cartridge and measure the OAL. It will most likely be too long.
12. Put back the round on the shell plate, raise it, tighten the seat adjust screw a little more (how much depends on how far you were from the desired OAL, I usually go 1/4th-1/8th of a turn at a time).
13. Repeat steps 11 and 12 until the bullet is seated to the desired depth inside the case.

At this point, nothing's locked down on the die (just the die itself to the bushing), and that's the way it needs to be. You have a "proof round" in hand that has the OAL you wanted, and you're now going to use it as a gauge to set the crimping screw and the seating screw properly.

14. Unscrew the seat adjust screw by several turns so that the seating stem cannot touch the proof round when you insert it in the die again. That's important.
15. Place the proof round on the shell plate and raise it into the die.
16. Screw in the crimp adjust screw until it barely contacts the round.
17. Take the shell plate down, then screw the crimp adjust screw by a little more, say a quarter turn at most.
18. Taking care not to let the crimp adjust screw rotate at all, screw in the crimp adjust lock ring tightly. The crimping part is done.
19. Bring the shell plate and proof round up into the die again. The proof round now gets taper crimped.
20. Screw in the seat adjust screw until the seating stem barely contacts the bullet. Don't screw any more, or you'll seat the bullet deeper than you wanted.
21. Taking care not to let the seat adjust screw rotate at all, screw in the seat adjust lock ring tightly. The seating part is done.

22. Take the round out, examine the crimp closely (no loose bullet, no undue case or bullet deformation?), measure the OAL again, make sure all's good. If something's out of kilter, you'll want to restart at step 7 by making a new proof round.

One thing I found with use: When there's only one round in the press (at the seat/crimp position) I get the exact OAL I adjusted for.

When there's other rounds in the other stations of the press (size/decap, bell, powder) at the same time, the seat/crimp die does not seat as deep as I had it adjusted for, it makes the bullet juuuust a little longer in OAL. I don't worry about it: once all my rounds are made, I tend to quickly pass them a second time in only the seat/crimp die to finalize their OAL. With good quality projectiles, I get them to within 0.001" like this.

One final caveat: I haven't reloaded tens of thousand rounds yet, and I make no guarantee as to this advice I just gave you. Someone more experienced may look at my process and see I'm doing something wrong, who knows? It seems to be working for me, that's really all I can say!

Good luck. :)
 
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WOW thank you so much for all this info...this is super helpful. Yes I did size the brass first...What I need to do is to start from the beginning on all 3 dies just to make sure. Very nice of you to have put all that info for me...

Thanks a bunch :)
 
Paulo71 I also have a Lock'n load ap press.IT took me a long time to get used to it and to get all the right settings.
I live near Montreal, would a phone cal be any help ?
English or french is possible.
Let me know
 
I would get a separate crimp die and use the seating die to seat bullets only. Your press has enough stations to fit the extra die and it is much less fiddly to adjust one or the other when seating and crimping are broken down into separate operations.
 
Hey Nevada Smith, thanks for the offer...I just came back from abroad and haven't tried the suggestions for Grawfr yet but will let you know...thanks
 
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