Just curious, who bought a T97?

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I agree GALIL Man, I'd like to hear more from CanadaAmmo, but, if he doesn't have any news... he doesn't have any news... That being said, ANY update, even one saying there is NO new news, is better than silence.

I'm in till the end, I'm sure CanadaAmmo is doing everything he can to get the rifles released. I'm not going to request a refund & possibly cause financial distress for CanadaAmmo...

Ultimately, it's the RCMP & CBSA that are not playing fair... & I'm voting with my wallet & in the last week, I have written 4 letters on this issue & Bill C-301, placed hard copies in the mail & faxed the same...

Cheers
Jay
 
I'm with you...I'd like my rifle and not a refund. that can change with time but not right now.

As far as information goes; if they have had and are regularly having meetings, I'm sure they are not just sitting there staring at one another. Things are being discussed.

Maybe I've missed prior posts, but I have no idea what has been discussed in any of the prior meetings. It would be nice to know what position or posturing all parties have taken. That's all.
 
I'm still here but...really, really wish there was more "filter down" information for us.

CanAm answered a question I posted last night in regard to a future meeting with the RCMP and he had indicated that there have been ongoing meetings with the authorities and more to come.

I think it'd be easier to "keep the faith" if we were kept abreast of what transpired in those meetings. One has to assume that the meetings involve back and forth communication, positioning and articulation of said.

Sometimes details and minutiae can go a long way in keeping us content and faithful.

I appreciate what you are saying.

I happen to know Chris personally and would like to assure you that he is doing everything humanly possible to get these rifles released. Sometimes that means staying a little tight lipped about details until the most appropriate time in spite of one's very natural desire to keep everyone informed and on side. And sometimes, there just isn't any new information to add ...

I know everyone feels as if they have been waiting forever on this but the process of sorting this out may well still be in the early stages.
 
As soon as the coast has cleaned......I am in for an couple.....:D

Have got the third set of letters ready to go in the mornings mail......am on first name bases with my MP now!!!!
 
I'm still here but...really, really wish there was more "filter down" information for us.

Sometimes details and minutiae can go a long way in keeping us content and faithful.

RCMP aren't a chatty bunch - no decision has been made as of yet.
 
As far as information goes; if they have had and are regularly having meetings, I'm sure they are not just sitting there staring at one another. Things are being discussed.

I supppose they aren't a terribly social group of persons in these matters, but...as said above previously.
 
In keeping with my desire to DO SOMETHING about this situation, I've written another letter, feel free to use it yourself, modify it etc, just make sure you SEND IT!!! You can use Faxzero.com to send a fax online for free! You can look up your MP, Minister of Public Safety Van Loan & Prime Minister Stephen Harper @ the House of Common's website, you can snail mail your MP, Minister of Public Safety & the Prime Minister FOR FREE, their hill office's mailing addy is there when you look them up!

April 1st/09


Dear Prime Minister of Canada, Mr. Stephen Harper;

Last week I wrote to you to express my concerns regarding three issues. (1) Bill C-301. (2) The RCMP’s “new policy” of re-classifying firearms, after the required sample firearm was submitted to the RCMP for classification & after the proper paperwork was completed & the green light was given to Marstar Canada to import the firearms. (3) The RCMP’s & CBSA’s refusal to release, with no explanation, a shipment of firearms that a small business by the name of CanadaAmmo has imported. Again, a sample of the firearm was submitted for classification to the RCMP, the proper paperwork was completed and permission was granted to go ahead with the importation of the firearms.

First, let me comment on Bill C-301. As you & your political party have stated in the past, the Canadian Long Gun Registry has been ineffective in reducing gun crime, burdens the law abiding (the only ones that comply), and has been such a massive waste of taxpayer funds that it is embarrassing to discuss! Please do everything in your power to see an un-tampered Bill C-301 through Parliament & enacted as law.

Secondly, as you can imagine, in these tough economic times, the seizure of a business’s legal property could easily result in bankruptcy. While I believe that an established company like Marstar Canada may well survive the underhanded re-classification of its firearm shipment, which effectively prevents the firearms from being sold in Canada, I am not sure that a new company such as CanadaAmmo will be able to survive the RCMP & CBSA’s refusal to release its legal shipment of firearms. Personally, I think the RCMP & CBSA are simply waiting until CanadaAmmo fails financially, effectively making them “go away”. The RCMP & CBSA’s refusal to release the legal shipment of firearms in question just may have that effect! Do we really need to put two more Canadian businesses out of business all because of the anti-firearm agenda of the RCMP & CBSA? I think not!

So, once again, we find law abiding citizens of this country suffering from firearm “policy”, being made up “on the fly”, at the whim of the RCMP & CBSA. Mr. Prime Minister, the last time I checked, these two agencies reported to you & your party as the duly elected & legal Government of Canada. Please reign in the RCMP & CBSA on these issues. Please order the RCMP to reverse its re-classification of Marstar’s firearm shipment, back to the original classification which would allow their legal sale to law abiding citizens. Please order the RCMP & CBSA to release CanadaAmmo’s legal shipment of firearms.

The issues I have discussed above are so important to me & Canadians who value democracy that I began to look into what the driving forces behind them may be. What I found was surprising and may be exactly “why” Canadians are now seeing their National Police force acting independently of established Canadian law, “testing the waters” and making “policy” as they go along. Please see the quote below, taken from Bill C-35.

Bill C-35, reverse onus in bail hearings for firearm-related offences, presented to a Legislative Committee in May of 2007 by Tony Cannavino, President Canadian Police Association.

“The tragedy at Dawson College in Montreal has reinforced the
need to strengthen Canada's controls over civilian firearms
possession. To our knowledge no new firearms have been added
to the restricted or prohibited categories in Canada for over a decade,
yet many new firearms are being offered for sale that would arguably
meet existing criteria. As a consequence, some weapons are being
legally sold in Canada despite the fact that they meet existing criteria
for restricted or prohibited status and present significant concerns for
public safety.

Retailers understand and exploit those loopholes, as demonstrated
by the posting of the website for Wolverine Supplies in Manitoba—
you'll find it in your brief. We submit that further steps must be taken
to close the loopholes by updating and maintaining the restricted and
prohibited firearms classifications.”

Surprising isn’t it? I believe that this quote from Bill C-35 shows that the RCMP is only concerned with, and I quote, “strengthening Canada’s controls over civilian firearms possession”, NOT with the real issue of preventing gun crime. Law abiding Canadians are not responsible for gun crime! I think you will agree with me, the RCMP & CBSA have chosen to “take the ball” on this issue and run with it. Unfortunately, only law abiding Canadians & Canadian Businesses are suffering from the actions of the RCMP & the CBSA. Further penalizing those that abide by the law is neither effective nor prudent. Remember, the Conservative Party has a large following from law abiding Canadians that participate in the Shooting Sports; we are counting on you to act appropriately on issues such as these.

In closing, I request that you hold the Commissionaire of the RCMP, Mr. William J. S. Elliott, to account on the actions of the RCMP in the re-classification of firearms & firearm shipment seizures. I further request that you call the President of the CBSA, Mr. Stephen Rigby and have him account for his agencies role in the seizure of CanadaAmmo’s legal property.

I look forward to hearing back from you on these issues and the actions you have taken to rectify them. (cc. Minister of Public Safety, Mr. Van Loan)


Sincerely,
"Jay"
 
I surely don't want to hijack this very important thread but Jay that is a great solid letter you sent!

Im with you guys, I really hope the T97 will be release shortly!

I'll also fax the Prime Minister for helping this cause.
 
the rcmp are only going after thouse who wont shoot back, you me and farmer john that is.

HA, Bloodss, Crips, banditos, however will shoot back.

so cives = easy bust
scum= hard bust

thats what it seems like to me,
most street cops would rather go after the scum, the brass wants cives.
the result, more victims. LIBIRAL ANALISTS SHOULD NEVER DICTATE POLICE POLICY
 
Hey Mark,

I've called 3 times asking to transfer my T97 order to something else. Each time you said you'd get on my order right away - but it's not changed. When you get the T97's in I'll buy one - just for now, I'd like something else.
 
On other threads on this forum, credible posters with a long history here of good information have posted that the Type-97 will be classed as prohib in the next short while. While many are taking his posts as fact, the only ones here who are actually dealing with the RCMP on the Type-97 issue is CanadaAmmo.

Perhaps some info from CanAm about the process they are going through with the RCMP, is the fight truly to prevent a reclass to prohib? Any updates or information from the horses mouth would be GREATLY appreciated.
 
Hey Mark,

I've called 3 times asking to transfer my T97 order to something else. Each time you said you'd get on my order right away - but it's not changed. When you get the T97's in I'll buy one - just for now, I'd like something else.

Me too, I cancelled, but am interested in something that unfortunatly is not in stock at the moment. I will also re-purchase a type 97 at the new price minus the rail, I just needed my money for something else at the moment. I know that they are busy and I will continue to be patient because I'd like to keep a good relationship with this company for the future.
 
Its looking good at the moment but still keeping those fingers crossed.

If every thing works out i think im going to buy a second one.
 
I think I should buy the Norinco M4 and tell the wife that it does not look good for the Type 97 and would get a refund, then if the RCMP backs down, I get my Type 97 and the M4!!!!
 
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