Just flubbed my second deer Big thanks

Tried several with the gun empty and the made a solid pop and you could see the blast come out the end of the barrel.
 
I don't know about you, but my ML manual clearly states NEVER to use "smokeless powder" in a muzzleloader.

If you want trouble free reliable operation, use black powder or black powder substitutes like 777.

I recommend pellets, easier to use in the woods than loose powder. I have yet to have a failure using 777. I used to use Pyrodex which is similar ballistically but stinks and is harder to clean up.

Try 2 50gr pellets of 777 with a Hornady 240gr XTP... the deer will never know what hit them.
 
Griffoneur said:
I don't know about you, but my ML manual clearly states NEVER to use "smokeless powder" in a muzzleloader.

If you want trouble free reliable operation, use black powder or black powder substitutes like 777.

I recommend pellets, easier to use in the woods than loose powder. I have yet to have a failure using 777. I used to use Pyrodex which is similar ballistically but stinks and is harder to clean up.

Try 2 50gr pellets of 777 with a Hornady 240gr XTP... the deer will never know what hit them.
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The Savage is designed for smokeless!
 
I ran into similar problems when I started shooting a ML this year. My .58 cal Hawken would misfire about 60% of the time. Pop...no boom. I tried three different kind of caps but it didn't seem to make a difference. I changed the nipple to one with the biggest hole I could find, cleared it a little more with a drill bit (just a tiny amount) and also started firing 4-5 caps after each cleaning. Seems to work well now. So far...

I guess this sort of thing is why we don't see too many "Bear defense muzzle loader" threads.
 
powdergun said:
Tried several with the gun empty and the made a solid pop and you could see the blast come out the end of the barrel.
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Then it's a powder issue plain and simple. The powder got wet or something. You hit smokeless powder with spark and it burns. If the sabot is seated it goes bang and if it isn't it goes "woosh" If you aren't hearing either and spark is reaching your powder, the powder is pooched! Either that or the powder chamber was sopping wet with oil or water.

It's difficult to have a misfire with a 209 in-line.
 
powdergun said:
The only thing I can figure is that because of a temp change ( Warm to cold ) there was condensation and the charge got damp.
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Condensation is only a problem from cold-warm. Once your gun is loaded and cold...leave it cold (trunk, unheated shop), or shoot it and clean
it to bring it back to room temperature. A piece of electrical tape over the muzzle will also help keep rain/moisture, debris out of the barrel.
The 209, should produce more than enough flame to ignite almost any load. Put a cleaning patch on the end of a jag, push it down the bore
touching the breech plug...fire off a 209, and have a look at the patch...should be a nice black burnt area. :)
 
Try 43 grains of IMR 4759SR, never failed in my savage MLII. Even in -20 weather last year. I always make sure that the flash hole is nice and clean and all the other parts of the breach plug are clean and snug. I pash a few patches in and out before laoding to remove any greas or oil that can pisibly be in the area of where the powder can sit. I use 300grain TSX as well and I laod them tight aginst the powder.

Hope this info’ helps.
Good luck
 
powdergun, are you using too much bore butter to mistakenly over lube the bullet(sabbot) going in?
If so, the lube is not needed, and will contaminate the powder and cause, not too much boom.:)

The mention of firing a primer after cleaning is a good idea.
And dont forget to poke something into the flash hole to make sure its fully opened up to take the full flame the 209 offers.:confused:
 
Listening to all the advice and what I did it really seems to be a powder problem with the 4227. I'm going to switch to pyrodex and some CCI mag primers for the rest of the season and start fresh with some new smokeless in the spring.
 
The first thing you do with a smokeless muzzleloader is forget everything you think you know about muzzleloading. The second thing is to go on Dougs Savage board. The fastest path to success is SR4759 and Winchester or Federal primers. Sabot fit is critical with many combinations.
 
Thanks very much guys. I took the advice.

1) Switched to pyrodex ( Couldn't find the other type of smokeless)
2) Changed primers
3) Fired a couple before loading up

Went out this morning and there is a nice doe hanging in the garage. That 5X5 is still out there and I've got another tag with his name on it.

Even though the doe is no big deal its nice to be rid of that stupid misfire issue.
 
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