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H Wally

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So yesterday I picked up a sporterised P14 at the HACS gunshow. I was hesitant because the bore was very dirty,
but in the end I had to buy it. After taking it home and cleaning it a bit I realised it's all matching! The only thing I can
find with a different code is the flip sight and I don't know if those #'s did match originally. Anyone have info on this rifle?

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Without Flash
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The brass disk on the butt stock.
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Closeup of the action and the bluing. Fairly consistent finish overall, except for light pitting on the barrel.
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The only stuff I can make sense of in this picture is "Not english make" and Nitro Approved". Don't know what any of those symbols are.
The picture makes it look like the barrel is rusted to hell and back.
In fact you can just make a roughness in daylight.
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Part of the Volley sight still intact.
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I didn't know that they put the lords prayer on the bottom of these guns. Is this actually supposed to be there?
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Just because I have never had a sight like this on a rifle..
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Some markings on the left side of the reciever.
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You've got the most produced of the P-14's there. Thats an ERA or Eddystone Remington Armoury, to decifer those markings you'll want to pick up the following book it tells you all you need to know:

British Enfield Rifles
Volume 4
The Pattern 1914
and U.S. Model 1917 Rifles
by Charles Stratton
North Cape Publications
ISBN 1-882391-29-2
www.northcapepubs.com

(originally posted by John_Sukey)

I use my ERA as my main hunting rifle. Very accurate, I even know of a couple guys who moose hunt with it.

I don't think the lords prayer is supposed to be there, I don't recall seeing anything about it in the book, but I could be wrong.
 
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thats nice,

Bubba did a good job there. :)

the Lord's prayer is an interesting touch. And the "Brass Disk" is actually a french coin RF is Republic Francaise, I suspect it's a 5cent coin about 1920 -1950, take it off and check the other side :)


matching numbers are good and now you just need to find a full wood stock. the Barrel is dated 1916.
 
To bring it back to issue condition, you will need stock, handguards, rear hg ring, middle band with screw and swivel, upper band with screw and piling swivel, rear swivel? Maybe a buttplate if the one on the rifle has been trimmed when the stock was redone. It is possible, but it is going to take time and $. Don't know how much you have in the rifle, but do some research and find out what an as issued P-14 sells for, then consider that a restored one would sell for less. Subtract the cost of the rifle, and that will tell you how much you can pay for restoration parts, for the project to make economic sense.
 
Nice looking rifle.
I was hoping to pick up one of those for a project at the port perry show yesterday, but no such luck.
 
H Wally said:
Oh - also, is good bluing common on these? And what would a new stock set cost to bring it back to orig condition?
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Good bluing is not common on these, many of them have been parkerised during arsenal refurbishment, and those that have not generally leave much to be desired.
Good P14 stocks are very difficult to find and also expensive. M1917 ( P17 to me ) stocks are much more readily available and fit just fine,but they still ain't cheap. The only problem is that they do not have the volley sight inleting the P14's have. Truth is that P14's and P17's are really bubba rifles from new, neither are chambered for anything like the cartridge they were designed for.

This is a pic of the P14 ish bits and pieces thing I have, as can be seen it's it has a P17 stock. It's the most accurate rifle I have ever owned.

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SPencer, I just can't get enough of those pics of that rifle.
What a beauty!

You're definatly fueling my desire for a p14 to play with, I wouldn't mind trying some 300m shots with it.
 
Thanks Skippy. It is pretty but it's not what collectors would want. I have quite a few milsup rifles that are in good condition and a couple that are unissued and look as new, but there is something about the P14 that the others don't have, it's in a league all of it's own. It shoots better than anything else I have, and the 7mm rem mag cartridge extends the reach way out.
If the bluing were as good as Wally's rifle I would probably only done part of it, but as it was almost non existant I re did the whole thing. It took ages and a lot of sweat but the end result was worth it.

If you want accuracy that's as good as anything out there, and you also want that in a milsurp, the P14/17 is hard to beat if not impossible to beat.
 
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To bring it back to issue condition, you will need stock, handguards, rear hg ring, middle band with screw and swivel, upper band with screw and piling swivel, rear swivel? Maybe a buttplate if the one on the rifle has been trimmed when the stock was redone. It is possible, but it is going to take time and $. Don't know how much you have in the rifle, but do some research and find out what an as issued P-14 sells for, then consider that a restored one would sell for less. Subtract the cost of the rifle, and that will tell you how much you can pay for restoration parts, for the project to make economic sense.
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I didn't know what I was buying initially. After cleaning it up, I didn't pay nearly enough:D . I think she's going to be refurbed.
 
The lords prayer is actually a penny that has been rolled through a machine, they were quite common at fairgrounds , bus and train stations IIRC
Cheers nessy.
 
Congrats!

Great rifles, wicked twist in the bores, and solid shooters.
I love my sporterized mutt, P-14. :)

I also need to find wood, and furniture parts for mine. :(
 
H Wally said:
Oh - also, is good bluing common on these? And what would a new stock set cost to bring it back to orig condition?
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Restoring these will take time, as the full length stocks are rare. They do show up on e-Bay alot, usually around the $75-$100 mark just for the basic stock, ie; no metal or handguards. The problem is, most of the good P-14 stocks only show up in the U.S. and most won't ship to Canada. Keep your eyes open though as good deals turn up from time to time.

It may be better to buy another P-14 with full wood and a shot-out bore. That way you can switch stocks and then sell the undesired one for cheap and recover some of the loss. It's what I ended up doing on mine...eventually.

I had my 'new' P-14 out to the range on Sunday along with my No4 Mk1, and after 130 rounds down range I found that my Enfield shot just as well as my P-14, between 1 and 1.5 inces at the 100m berm. Pretty darn good.

I have found that while the rifling grooves are deeper on my P-14 than on my Enfield (almost twice as much), the Enfield's bore is actually tighter than the P-14's. So my P-14 would be optimized by handloading.... just something you should look out for.

Enjoy your new project.... and remember... don't rush it. All the right parts will come along in time.
 
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If you'll throw in the dirty undies on the floor in the first pic, I might be interested in buyin:eek: Were you photographing nekid?

Nice gun, good luck on the resto!
 
I got a job on a herring packing boat one spring and when I went to make my bunk there was a big lump under the mattress and when I lifted it up to see what it was, I found one of those rifles there.

It had belonged to a previous crewman.

We played with it a bit, found a fired cartridge and discovered that the ejector wasn't working.

I left it on the boat. They were quite common on the coast. I worked on a small crab boat once and the owner had one behind the cook stove. Talk about rust! I cleaned the bore with WD-40 and a piece of twine and rags, but it realy needed a good brushing. He said he had shot deer with it before.

Another buddy bought a small fish boat in the early 1980s and it came with one of those hanging in the foc'sle with an old single shot 12 gauge. Both rusty as hell.

Looks like you got yourself your deer rifle if it shoots at all decently.
 
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