Bought an 8 1/2 to play with on the action range. I'm not a big fan to begin with but thought what the hell. Right out of the box it was difficult to feed shells into the mag tube. Once I got one in I couldn't get it out of the tube. Once I got it out of the tube I felt around inside and cut my finger on the Burr that was all the way around where the receiver and the mag tube butt together. I stripped the gun down and spent the next hour with a small toolmakers round file and a diamond dust impregnated rubber wheel on a dremel de burring the inside. After a few tries I finally got it feeding smoothly. By this time most of the guns finish was on my hands and you can just scratch it off with your fingernail. Since it seems to be functioning alright I whacked out the dimples with a socket, replaced the follower with an old remington steel one and the mag cap with a serated wingmaster one (these bite the barrel ring enough the they won't come loose). So now the gun will hold (and feed) 3 in tube. I have a Mesa Urbino stock laying around and may put that on. I removed the buttstock and the anchor stud in the receiver screwed out with the stock bolt. I put that back in with some loctite. Of course I absolutely HAD to try the pistol grip on it and it looks just plain nasty. The original plan was to register it as restricted since I only shoot at the range, but with all that was wrong with it I may just use the urbino stock until I am sure I am going to keep it. It's off to the range tomorrow to have a go and it has a date with the parkerising tank next week followed by teflon coating. One thing I am sure about is that if I was going to rely on this for bear country I would spend the money on a Dlask. When you have to re build a gun before you can put a shot thru it, it doesn't inspire confidence, although hopefully now all is well. We'll see
Just got my 8 1/2 grizzly this morning. NOT impressed
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Norks can be hit and miss with a bit of owner tuning necessary at times either for comfort or function. It sounds like you are handy with the tools which is not a bad thing if you are buying a Norinco.
It's silly that they didn't design it to run 3 in the mag from the get go.
It's silly that they didn't design it to run 3 in the mag from the get go.
I have 2 norcs one JW-2000 12"coach and a DA 12", both are what you pay for. Fun little buggers but low quality.
I know some guy's go on about them being uber great and better than a Rem, but I own a new Rem 870 and it's still twice the gun.
If Norc's are all your defense budget can buy go for it (great little shotties) , but dont try to play the game they are top shelf.
I like my two little Norc's and they make great piss of lib firearms.
Sorry it's Friday and I'm getting tipsy.
I know some guy's go on about them being uber great and better than a Rem, but I own a new Rem 870 and it's still twice the gun.
If Norc's are all your defense budget can buy go for it (great little shotties) , but dont try to play the game they are top shelf.
I like my two little Norc's and they make great piss of lib firearms.
Sorry it's Friday and I'm getting tipsy.
Ardent
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For a gun of the purposes you're after, I can understand perhaps, range tinker gun, still I've sworn them off after my experiences with Norc quality. I decided if I'm going to be putting small, contained explosions right in front of my face and eyes I don't want them to be contained by chinese quality. Reference the Norc short M14's barrel failures, think there's been a couple Norc shotgun failures / kabooms reported here too hasn't there? For a work gun there is no way. Could never understand the folks looking for a gun to cover their butts and then trying to save a few hundred bucks by going chinese! 
(not your case).
Plus, Dlask started the whole thing, and is Canadian home brew and needs the support a lot more than Norc. They were sadly undercut on their own designs by ruthless importers, I'm seeing more and more people turning away from Norc and that's a damn good thing to see.
(not your case).Plus, Dlask started the whole thing, and is Canadian home brew and needs the support a lot more than Norc.
They were sadly undercut on their own designs by ruthless importers, I'm seeing more and more people turning away from Norc and that's a damn good thing to see.
I am mystified at these burrs, sharp edges and rough work found in Chinese guns. Of all places, they have over a billion people...they can put a million of them in an area working in factories churning out huge quantities of stuff. They aren't short of labour. So why can't they assign people to deburring things?
They could and they can. China can manufacture to match the highest tolerances found on the earth. But, they tend to build things to a price point. You want a $250 shotgun? You get an HP-9. You want a $100 gun? Ok, you can have a 780 Homeland Security model made with plumbing pipe for barrel. If customers asked for $800 870 clones they could build you the equivalent of an 870P or Wingmaster. Nobody does that because the point of buying a clone is that it's cheaper than the real thing.
There have also been reported failures with Glock and FN ... that's the problem, no company has a 100% spot free record with failures, that's the nature of a manufacturing process, sometimes things are made on Friday afternoons before a long weekend or a Monday morning before the person's had enough coffee because his wife is leaving him...
I'm mystified by the absence of burrs, sharp edges and rough work on my Chinese guns. Clearly YMMV.
Gutted it today. Smoothed out the action, put in a Wingmaster trigger group and bolt, and bolted on the urbino stock. Apart from the crappy finish, which I will take care of as soon as it's a little warmer, I think I can live with it. Still haven't shot it, but if the leg isn't hurting me too much I'm hoping tomorrow.
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I honestly think we look for problems with the Chinese stuff because we still can't believe that anyone but North America can build something of good quality. That happened with the auto market too. They all laughed when Toyota and Datsun (now Nissan) came into the country but by the early 80's the quality of the imports surpassed anything domestic made.
They are not for everyone that's for sure! However if you are handy with the tools and willing to do some hands on work like Dogzilla they can be pretty good gun projects.
It's not like China is the only country selling lemons today. The main thing is to buy from a dealer that stands behind the product whether It's made in China,Brasil,Philippines,USA etc....
