Just how fast is a grizzly bear.

Every time I have seen or had an encounter with a grizzly bear as soon as it saw me it ran the other way. Head down and gone. It wanted nothing to do with me and I felt the same way.


Camped out at Celestine Lake Trail and had a grizzly sniff around our campsite one late night. Thats how I woke up that night. It wasn't a squirrel that's for sure. I was camped with my wife and her sister and husband. A few yells and banging of our tin cups scared it off. Spent the night up, sitting around the fire drinking tea. It was an experience. This was before the days of bear spray and bear bells. We had no firearms or such, just a little hatchet. There were 4 of us there. Lots of tracks and bear #### around our tent the next morning, no damage. The fire pit and table were about 80 meters away from the sleeping pads.



Bumped a grizzly sow and 2 cubs hiking around in the Peter Lougheed park. Doing some solo hiking and came around a corner and we were about 3 meters apart. I saw them, they saw me and they turned around and ran down the trail out of sight. My bear spray was in the top of my pack tucked away safely. I had a whistle which I tooted on a few times and that was that. Carried on my way and had a great trip


Ive never had a problem with grizzly bears it's always black bears that give me more grief. Black bears just hang around more and appear more curious. Scare them off and the come right back.


My brother had one follow him for about a kilometer. He was on a day hike west of Calgary on some unkown trail. He initially sprayed it when it came within 3 meters of him and it followed him back to his car. When he got back too his car, the can was empty and the bear was still eyeballing him. He now carries 2 bear sprays, bangers and a few other odds and sods for bear defence. It really rattled him good.
 
my Bear Encounter-

Well I headed out to Candle Lake for a Cowboy Shoot......
But I got the dates mixed up & nobody was there..just me.

so I put on my Gear & Hat and figured I might as well do a little shooting.

I walked over to the Outhouse , and just as I was reaching for the door A HUDGE Black Bear poked his head up !!

He was Behind the Outhouse !!
He looked right at me.....I looked right at him. I FROZE...we were 15 feet apart !

I put my hand on my Holstered 357 Black hawk......"Crap..I was loaded with wimpy Target loads" That would just pis him off.

The next few seconds went by soooo slow,..my throat was dry..I couldnt swallow...I couldnt Think....my heart was Racing

He gave a load Huufff......I figured this was it....I pulled out my 6 shooter and was ready to empty it.......my hands were shaking so bad...I managed to #### it.....my heart was trying to come out of my chest !! The gun was shaking so hard in my hand as I had it pointed at his head,..I couldnt stop my hand from shaking.

To my utter amazement .....he turned around and very slowly started to move away.

My truck was 30 feet away...and I ran to it and dove inside. The bear then changed direction and came over to the truck !! CRAP is this not going to end ??
I fumbled with the keys forever trying to start the truck. It had really loud mufflers and I roared the engine....it spooked the bear and he trotted off.
I was shaking all the way home. NOT a fun experience at all.


my rig LOL
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Has anyone read the yellowstone grizzly vs elk hunter data? Collared grizzlies in the park are gps tracked. They gave elk hunters gps pingers and found that the bears often followed the elk hunters sometimes as close as 30 meters. They figured the bears were following the hunters waiting for a carcass. Majority of the hunters never saw a bear. Interesting study. I cant seem to find it right now though
 
I live amongst 7 grizzly's. That I know of. They have never came into the yard. Black bears on the other hand are always walking through the yard.
I am not sure if the old bore is still alive but the 2 sows with 2 cubs each are still in the country. The cubs have ventured out on their own now. 2 cubs are dark and 2 are silver. I have bumped one because it was sound asleep by the trail I was driving on. I had seen the 6 feeding on 2 different moose carcasses.
I see the tracks in the mud all the time about a 1/2 mile away from home. You rarely get pictures. I have pictures of tracks in the mud!!
I switched from a 270 to a 300wm for a hunting rifle now.
 
Has anyone read the yellowstone grizzly vs elk hunter data? Collared grizzlies in the park are gps tracked. They gave elk hunters gps pingers and found that the bears often followed the elk hunters sometimes as close as 30 meters. They figured the bears were following the hunters waiting for a carcass. Majority of the hunters never saw a bear. Interesting study. I cant seem to find it right now though

I heard similar near Grande Cache, Alberta a couple falls ago - hunter guys there were absolutely convinced the local grizzly come from distance away to the sound of a shot. My brother there, watched a grizzly who had dragged an elk carcass from a cut line, down into bush - bear was on hind legs swatting at ravens - was that motion my brother saw and was able to withdraw without bear or ravens seeming to notice him.
 
I have been looking at getting a gopro head unit for my hunting adventures. In the past few years I have had several wildlife encounters that I have posted about that it would sure be nice to have video of to throw in the disbelievers faces. While I have no grizzly tales to tell first hand, when I lived over by Canim Lake in the Kokanee Estates I was out in my backyard cannabis patch when this helicopter swooped low over my house, narrowly missing the trees and forest around my 1 acre piece. So low I could see the pilot looking down at me and I could clearly read the tail numbers. Well..... I wasnt too worried and kinda chuckled as my garden was and is licensed under the canada health act. So I went about my business.
Then I get a text from my wife saying hey hun look at the grizzly bears someone took a picture of by the west end of canim lake in the farm fields , heading north..... right for my place LOL
I find out that the helicopter wasn;t there for my weed at all, they were trying to push the grizzly sow and her 2 big cubs , probably close to 2 year olds, up the hill behind our properties and towards Bobbs Lake/Hawkins lake ect.

I have had a shoot out with wolves and a few very close encounters with black bears.... 2 killed, a few scared off with the guns, a few scared off by yelling and being dominant and a few passing feet from my hide without noticing me as I sat in ambush for deer. It's always those times I forgot to grab a bear tag on the way LOL
 
Bears are fast!
They can cover ground faster than most people can imagine.
And it is unreal to watch a grizzly cover rough ground at a high rate of speed, over a long distance, without seeming to be working hard, and no signs of slowing down, even over long distances. They make it look easy. I definitely would not ride a horse that fast over that rough ground without fear of a mistep and wreck!
Watching them case and catch game, they move even faster!
And yes, a grizzly can take down a quarter horse in a 1/4 mile, even with the horse having a head start.

As far as slugs vs buckshot...it will only be slugs for me, as I want maximum weight and momentum to not only shock that big bone which I will be aiming at first, but also the penetration to break that bone and make it into the vitals where it needs to be.
A penetration test on 1" plywood from 15 feet should be enough to prove this to you first hand...as the 000 buckshot will not consistently penetrate the plywood.

In all of the firearms training and testing I have taken over the years for packing a shotgun for bear defense for work, we had to place two well aimed shots on the approaching, bouncing bear target. It takes practice to do well, consistently, within the specified time limits.
This can be learned, and your heart is usually racing enough from this test...just imagine trying to stay calm and repeat that in a real life bear charge!
You need lots of practice for it to become ingrained as muscle memory. It takes even more practice for it to become instinctive.

The video of thee fellow shooting the charging grizzly is interesting.
Some points to think about:
The charge and shooting could have been avoided...
First, they should have called the dog in when the bears arrived.
Second, the guy did not need to go outside, as the bears were only seeming to be eating fruit from the trees on the ground.
When he did go out, the dog went first, which would have put the momma grizzly into protection mode.
And the guy also advanced, which would have been a threat to the momma grizzly and her cubs.
When she did charge, the guy started back-pedaling instead of standing still and shouldering his firearm to aim.
He could not aim precisely as she was charging, as he was moving backwards with the firearm still down by his side - he was lucky to have hit bone that momentarily stopped the charge.
And he kept retreating and didn't reload and make a second aimed shot on the bear as it was down.
He was lucky that it did not turn out worse than it did.

Being physically prepared to deal with a bear encounter, whether it be with bear spray or firearm, is only half the equation.
Being mentally prepared to deal with it is a bigger factor.
Mentally prepare and perform all actions that you can to mitigate a bear encounter, and then mentally prepare and practice all actions that you can to protect yourself during a bear encounter.
Better to prepared and not need, then need and not be prepared.

We are lucky that bear encounters usually turn out to be less of a problem as most bears will turn and run away. Thankfully, most of these animals are wiser than the people that they encounter.
But, there are encounters that happen, for a variety of reasons, that must be dealt with, and luckily for most, they turn out to be close calls that we can share and learn from. Bears are as naturally curious as people, and some will want to get closer to investigate. And no, it isn't always the younger ones.
Unfortunately, there are those occurrences that occur where either the people and/or the bears are hurt, or killed.
 
Not a grizzly - just a black bear - he wants into the choke cherries to the right back there. Unfortunately wife had just been down there to start raking leaves. She came back towards house and garage - had seen him coming up from the lake. Somewhere was our old Heeler - in a minute I was thinking there was going to be a brave old dog charging out to protect wife - dog would have got its ass kicked good. I took this picture and others with cell phone in right hand. Had a loaded Mauser 9.3x62 in my left hand. Was not going to be a "shotgun deal". I have shot at and missed, and then started to connect, at 4" clay pigeons at twice that distance. My plan was there was only going to be one shot - and that bear was going to end up stopped and dead if my wife or dog was in trouble. Not an iota of doubt where that bullet was going to impact on that thing. Turned out our dog's Momma did not raise stupid pups - dog did come out - snugged up against wife's legs and barked at that bear - who basically ignored all of us as it fed on berries. October 5, 2020, in our back yard. We see these guys every year when the choke cherries are ripe - just a totally natural thing for them to be out looking. Live and let live - up to a certain point. That is why that rifle and sleeve of shells is handy, right now...

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Has anyone read the yellowstone grizzly vs elk hunter data? Collared grizzlies in the park are gps tracked. They gave elk hunters gps pingers and found that the bears often followed the elk hunters sometimes as close as 30 meters. They figured the bears were following the hunters waiting for a carcass. Majority of the hunters never saw a bear. Interesting study. I cant seem to find it right now though

Years ago a man and wife were hunting on the trunk road. Can't recall if it was deer or an elk they bagged but the husband left to go get the quad to pack it out and left her at the kill site. Sow and cubs moved in and did a number on her but I think she lived.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America#1990s
 
When we were in Alaska on vacation the tour guide said the locals have a saying about bear encounters:

If it’s black, fight back

If it’s brown, lay down

It it’s white, say goodnight
 
And then there's this idiot. Stumbled across this, no idea of context, though he says something at the end which may indicate a European accent of some sort. If he was talking at the end, perhaps he made it? Unless of course the whole thing is somehow faked... but I'm finding that hard to imagine. Seems more like he was high, or showing off, or both. Maybe clinically insane?

teasing a bear - warning, frightening foolishness
 
You have to see one in a full speed charge to believe how fast they really are!!
I believe that they can cover 100 yards in about 3.5 - 4 seconds.
If you wish to avoid being mauled, you had better be ready. Dave.

A 10sec 100yd dash is about 33km/hr, so if a bear can go 64km/hr you'd be looking at just over 5 seconds to cover 100yds.

In other words, we need to train grizzly bears to be running backs. That would boost the CFL's ratings big time! Lol
 
And then there's this idiot. Stumbled across this, no idea of context, though he says something at the end which may indicate a European accent of some sort. If he was talking at the end, perhaps he made it? Unless of course the whole thing is somehow faked... but I'm finding that hard to imagine. Seems more like he was high, or showing off, or both. Maybe clinically insane?

teasing a bear - warning, frightening foolishness


He speaks Russian, in the end he said «he bit my hand»
 
One of my aunt's friends got eaten by a black bear while downhill mountain biking in BC. Her friends went down the advanced slope, she went down the beginner slope, and she never made it out. So the black bear is definitely faster than a biker, and a grizzly is bigger and stronger so it'll be faster.

For those of you talking about momentum I have this to say. I have only seen one grizzly in the wild (yet) but it was a momma with a cub, and she was walking through the "brush." I say that with "" because she was pushing trees around casually that I couldn't move or bend one inch if I tried my hardest and I am a large person. If she was moving there isn't much that would stop her in her tracks, be it ballistic or emplaced. My GF and I still joke about how that was the biggest bum we've ever seen. Like a living minicooper or small bus.
 
I've probably outlined my bear story in another bear thread, don't recall for certain, but here it is. In 1989 I was a former bicycle mechanic and was then working as a machinist and braze-welder for Synchros, making nice mountain bike parts. One sunny October late morning I met up with a couple of guys I'd known from the old bike shop job who said they'd show me the ropes on Seymour trails. Though I'd ridden a lot in the mid-1980's and raced a few times, a severe injury had taken me out of that loop for a few years. But I'd gradually worked my damaged leg back into good shape so I was up for some climbing.

Their ride to meet me along the underbelly, close to the Second Narrows (now Ironworker's Memorial) bridge had been eventful. A driver had been honking at them as they rode the nearly deserted road side-by-side, they'd flipped him off and waved him around as there was lots of room, so he'd gunned it past them then jammed on the brakes, leaving his car sideways across their path, and jumped out with a hatchet in hand. He ran at them and took a swing, one of the riders blocking the blow with his forearm and getting a nasty bruise from the axe handle. He punched the driver in the nose, who then backed off, bloodied, and got in his car and drove off, swearing. They called in his plate # and took some deep breaths then rode on, meeting me a bit later than planned.

We got to Seymour and did a bunch of technical climbing. Pride kept us from dismounting much, so it was mostly lowest gear stuff, slower than walking pace, going up a bunch of tree root steps and single track trails. Good times! That's what I loved most in mountain biking, like trials riding. Downhill... not so much, especially since I'd smashed the middle of my left thigh on a tree branch while doing a bunch of flips at about 40km/hr during a race at Whistler, taking almost a year in sports physio therapy to get away from crutches then a cane. Climbing is rewarding work. Descending is just scary, for me anyway.

So we got well beyond the powerline, did a bit of rollercoaster sort of riding across the face, then they decided it was time to head down as one guy had some work to get back to. Shortly after starting down I managed to break my seat clamp bolt. I had to scour my bike for something close to it to cannabilize, as the unstable seat was going to make the ride too difficult. The guys didn't have patience to wait a few minutes - I think mostly because those two had smoked a fat joint at the end of the climb and were by then pretty out of it. I've never been a pothead, don't see the point.

Anyway, it was around 4pm I think when I waved them off. I had a a light and big battery, and thought it was fully charged. Didn't know where I was, but how hard could riding down Mt Seymour be? I finally settled on sacrificing one handlebar stem bolt which was redundant (a custom stem I'd built which was plenty solid with one less bolt) and put that into the seat clamp. Took off down the tricky little trails in the deepening shadows, eventually having to turn on the light as I found myself running out of daylight. The headlights in those days were incandescent and sucked down battery power like crazy. And it turned out I didn't have more than a half charge, so only about 45 minutes' light. I made it to a thick bit of undergrowth just as I began to see some distant city lights. Ran out of trail. A steep cliff in front of me made me bushwack with the bike on my shoulder for a while, lots of spider webs, the odd stumble (I was wearing Italian racing shoes with snap-in cleats and slippery plastic soles), until I finally ran out of lamp light just a few minutes before I found another trail which was relatively clear and went straight down.

Turned out it was only a few hundred metres to the bottom of the steep slope. I'd made it! Didn't know where I was still but that was okay. Totally moonless and overcast, the only light coming from low cloud, a dim orange from the street lights along Dollarton Highway. When I got to the bottom of the trail and tried to see something, eventually I made out a few little mountain-like shapes, which combined with a dully bad smell told me I was at some sort of dump. I'd heard there was a dump near the base of Seymour, so figured I was pretty close to the road. Started walking, then as the light got slightly less dim maybe halfway through the dump road I started seeing a brighter patch way ahead... then made out the low straight line of a steel swing gate, the sort made of a welded up triangle of 4" pipe, maybe a metre high. I got on the bike and started riding to cover what was likely around 250 metres of remaining road... and about halfway there I just about fell off the bike when there was an explosion of gravel being kicked beside and behind me on the left, beside one of those big piles of landfill.

I knew instantly it was a bear. Nothing else could move that much gravel, that fast. Adrenaline hit me hard. There was a moment of what felt like weakness, almost a faint, as I grappled with the shock of a bear so close and now running towards me. Then my right leg hammered on the pedal and I cranked it into a higher gear, slamming the pedals harder than I had in any BMX or mountain bike race at the start line. Threw a bit of gravel from my rear tire but the road was decent and I soon got traction.

I got to the low gate in a few seconds. Almost too soon. Dismounted with the noise of slewing gravel getting ever closer behind me, glanced back as my feet hit the ground and I started throwing the bike over the gate with my left hand still gripping the handlebar. A huge black blob was something between 5 and 10 metres behind me and getting bigger, couldn't see anything more than that, just an inky shape getting bigger, coupled with that horrifying sound of pieces of dirt road flying behind it.

The bike landed and bounced as I vaulted diagonally over the gate, landing on the saddle and twisting the front wheel forward as I flailed to get my feet clipped back into the pedals. A lot of drills and race experience got those clamped on the first try and I was slamming on the pedals again within less than a second. I rode hard until I hit the highway, maybe 10 seconds of that. And the sounds stopped behind me! Apparently the gate, my sudden change of motion, or both, had startled the bear and it stopped the chase. I didn't wait to find out if it was considering following up. Rode hard all the way to the bridge, however far that was I don't know (no Google Maps at the time and I couldn't seem to find any maps showing the dump), then the crash hit. Hard. Had a difficult ride the rest of the way home to Kitsilano. Exhausted. Out of water. Slept maybe 12 hours that night.

I was incredibly lucky. My fitness was maybe at 90% of my lifetime best at the time, and I risked injuries pushing my legs as hard as that, but it worked out. I got away clean by virtue of timing, proximity to that gate. Had I startled the bear further from the gate or had I been on foot still at that point I'd have been bear dinner. If I hadn't vaulted many logs during my racing days I'd not have had the muscle memory to perform the complex set of moves needed to get over the gate so gracefully and mount the bike without completely disabling myself on the seat or top tube. I knew exactly how to move quickly on and around a bike, and my machine was a top of the line speed demon - a Ritchey racing frame with fresh knobby tires, every aspect of which I knew intimately, having built the handlebar, stem, and forks from pieces of tubing and chunks of aluminum. I wouldn't give myself any odds at all of making that same set of moves today. Not remotely.

So today I count on a short 12ga to keep me safe. I've read enough and seen enough video to form an opinion on bear spray, and don't like my odds if I give that a try first. I'd prefer yelling and slowly backing away from a bear with a gun in my hands, a 1oz slug in the chamber, to some sort of clown show of dropping a failed can of spray and grabbing for the gun with maybe 1/2 second left before a bear is on top of me. Bear spray may well work. Just too many reports of it failing for me to take that chance. I'm a good shot, so I'll gamble on the big gun, should warnings and general awareness of my surroundings fail.

My one other bear encounter was while climbing on Mt Fromme in the summer of 2020. With my wife and son, just along the road where it starts to turn downhill again towards Grouse, we stopped as we heard violent thrashing behind the wall of salmonberry bushes to our left, downhill. We talked about what it might be, then heard a log hitting a tree and knew it was a large bear, tossing a log around, probably looking for more grubs to eat. Huffing sounds confirmed it. Unless it was a giant pretending to be a bear... but that seemed unlikely. I had the 870 in hand and loaded immediately and we decided to proceed rather than turn back. Walked a few steps at a time and pausing, listening, until we were out of range. Walked some trails for a while, picked some berries, ate some lunch, then headed back past the same spot about an hour later, with no sign of a bear. That shook us up a little but we were glad not to have to interact with it. Apparently the noise it was making covered our passing well enough and I advised both in my family to keep their noise to a minimum to keep it that way. Every circumstance is different and there are many interpretations as to what to do. Improvisation seems important. Adaptation to the particular geometry of the situation and the bear's awareness of human presence.
 
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