Just how stupid am I

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I'm putting this ouit now because I feel absolutely sick. Feel free to lambaste me ('cause I deserve it), commiserate or share your stories with me. Some background first.
I started reloading last year. Dillon 550 for .45 acp. Using Federal brass, left over from factory ammo that I bought from a store. Probably reloaded each brass three times. Had 600 shells to work with starting out. After doing a Black Badge course, a couple of IPSC matches and attrition over some practice matches, I was down to about 50. I was coming up to a new match and I didn't have enough shells. I balked at paying $25 for 100 shells. I went cheap and bought once-fired (I guess only newbie reloaders fall for this) brass.
As of last week, reloaded all the once-fired brass from variety of sources (I won't name them, it's not their fault I'm stupid). Re-reading loading manuals - they say how stupid it is to use someone elses brass. I see the error of my ways. I go buy 200 new Winchester brass at $27 per 100 YESTERDAY. I figure I will just blow off the reloaded ONCE FIRED as practice rounds by my self. I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY RELOADS!
SO, here I am down to the LAST 10 ROUNDS OF MY ONCE FIRED! Have 50 of the New Brass to test before going into a match. Shoot about 40 OF the once-fired. Start talking to the guy in the next port. He's got a Ruger P85 (or something) 9MM, that he just bought used.. He asks if I would like to try it. Of course I say SURE!. Naturally, I reciprocate with "Would you like to try mine" (LAST 10 FREAKIN ROUNDS OF MY ONCE FIRED ! ) I have a 10 round, .45 magazine. He fires 5 rounds, the fifth round splits at the base, The sixth round ignites in the MAGAZINE. Luckily, the Slide lock back and the stuff flies up in the air, the 4 rounds left in the mag somehow, mercifully,don't go off
I feel some stuff hitting my face. He's okay, but he has a cut beside his nose. Everybody is okay but really shaken.
Buddy says everything is fine, no problem, things happen, don't worry about it. But he leaves right away. He is shaken and probably stirred. As I noted above, I feel sick. If the other 4 round in the mag had gone, off, who knows what would have happened to his hand?
I bring a lot of new shooters to the club. I have, just by lettiing people shoot, convinced them to get their PALs, even RPALs. I can only imagine what they would think if they had this experience when shooting with me. Maybe a backward endorsment for Springfield, but the shell bursting in the chamber and the round going off in the mag, led to nothing more than a scratch on the cheek.
I'm throwing out all the old brass, spending more on new brass. Here endeth the lesson. This was an excellent lesson, I only wish it had happened to me, and not some innocent bystander.
Mea Culpa
 
I don't know much, but it seems it would be pretty bad luck(along with the bad luck already) for the 6th round to go off while in the magazine wouldn't it?

I haven't started loading my own yet, but this is a lesson I'll remember.
 
This does not sound like a brass problem at all but rather an overload!!! .45 ACP is very easy to overload even with very bulky powder. That case has a lot of room in it and pistol powder is pretty fast burning.

Don't beat yourself up too badly, this kind of thing happens to very seasoned reloaders. >45 ACP brass can be reloaded up to 6 or 7 times with out a hitch, inspect your brass before you clean it, after you clean and again before you reload it.

Scott
 
It's fortunate no one got seriously hurt. You could've had a lawsuit on your hands. This is the reason why I never let anyone shoot any of my reloads.


they would have to prove neglegance in your reloading.. if you are following standard practices, then there is no neglegance on your part.

you did not sell the ammo to the person so there is no obligation on your part to this individual. it was an accident and everyone feels bad, and are lucky no one got hurt. it would be very hard to prove in a court your where negligent in causing it.
(this is based on your description, and not it being a double charge)
 
If its any consolation to you, I have seen factory fresh brass fail in factory ammo.:eek: Its not common, but like any other device it can fail at some point.
Glad to hear nobody was seriously injured. Get back up on that horse and ride again..
Cheers:)
dB
 
Thanks for all your comments. I guess I have to learn from my (probably many) mistakes and get back on the horse. I am not really concerned with litigation, that's what insurance is for. I am really just glad that no one was hurt. Moving on and hopefully wiser.
 
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OK, this really freaks me out. Here I am waiting for my first lot of powder to arrive next week to start reloading for the first time and read this, all I got to say is WOW. I was planning to use once fired casings. I would really like to know what actually happened. Was it a double charge or a bad casing ? I really feel bad about this situation and I wasn't even there.
 
I'm somewhat familiar with the process of reloading, but I don't have a press and don't currently reload. I thought the Dillon 550 was mostly automatic.

How would a double-load occur?


KFB

Also: Thanks for sharing. Glad no one was hurt!
 
Really good thing that nobody was hurt, other than perhaps minor scratches and bruised feelings.

However I fail to see how once fired brass could be considered the culprit. Providing the brass was inspected, and handled and reloaded in a proper manner. I have seen semi auto .22's that will fire without a completely closed bolt, blowing brass all of heck, could this have been the same???
 
The ruptured case should be sent to a lab for testing. Preferably to the company that made the brass case. This is the only way you will know for sure what happened, and it will be a lesson for all of us if the truth is known of what made it rupture.
 
I have seen factory ammo with split necks. Also, I bought some "once fired" brass one time, and it had been resized from a larger calibre, and had indents on the case head from a plunger ejector. Lessoned learned.
 
I'll bet on the double-charge also. I've reloaded all kinds of brass that was so well used it is hard to read the headstamp. No failures.
 
For pistol brass, I don't hesitate to use range pick-ups, gun show once-fired, stocks that friends have lying around, etc. The stuff works at such low pressures that it lasts forever, and is so easy to inspect that you would know instantly if it wasn't. I don't think the brass was your issue.
 
I suppose it could have been an overload. I have never had one though, or maybe I have, and the brass was just strong enough. The Dillon is semi-auto, you still have to spin the turret manually to change stations. I am usually a very anal and paranoid re-loader. I check everything so I'm lucky if I get 200 rounds an hour. I may be down to 100 an hour now.
The offending brass was split nice and clean along the base of the cartridge. The round in the mag was just blasted. I threw out the casings and put the last of the unspent into the mis-fire tube. I was not a little shaken up. I wish now that I had kept the brass to remind me, like Stormbringer did.
I do inspect my brass, but I can only see stuff, that can be seen. dings, scratches, tears etc.. It's hard to tell when metal is tired. I throw out anythng that I subjectively deem unacceptable. I put every 10 rounds or so into a case gage, to ensure that the batch is in line. This whole incident is really bugging me because I am a careful loader. I have to go back to the books to see if I have been doing something wrong in my process.
 
Well, keep in mind that when you're reloading you're building little bombs that you're going to set off in front of your face, so being cautious is paramount. Having said that, this sounds like classic double charge behavior. I've been reloading for over 30 years now, and have seen this a few times at the range. I've also had split brass with brand new out of the box ammo, so it can happen no matter what, if theres a weak piece of brass. - dan
 
I personally don't have a problem using old brass provided the primer pockets aren't expanded, with the proviso that a visual inspection is made of each case to ensure that there are no visible flaws. I do this with new brass as well. There is a temptation to ignore this step during large volume loading with tight time constraints. The source of your brass wasn't the problem, rather you had a weak case or an overload. I'm leaning towards an overload because simple a case failure in a low pressure round like a .45 Auto will not normally result in the case going to pieces. I have had worn out .45 cases fail right ahead of the web though. I've pretty much stopped using nickeled pistol cases because I believe they loose their elasticity much quicker than brass.
 
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