JUST IN!!!!!!!!! E-Lander 10 Round AIA 308 Magazines.

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Travis Bickle said:
Finally trialed mine today in my Norinco M.....Enfield rifle...

Does not work reliably.
Sorry and maybe it's just my rifle but here's my no bias no BS summary.

The front of the mag not having the op rod guide pin hole is not the issue at all as the size of the mag front to rear in the mag well is tight enough.
The issue (with my rifle anyhow) was that the magazine lug on the rear is much smaller than a standard one in the vertical sense.
This left the REAR of the magazine sitting about 1/5" or so lower than it should when its attached.
Mine experienced constant failures to pick up a cartridge as a result of this and many cartridges feeding into the chamber at too sharp of an angle (due to the rear of the magazine sitting too low the bolt barely caught the cartridge case and jammed it up into the top of the chamber then rode over the top of what was still under the bolt line damaging/bending projectiles in the case essentially a classic "stovepipe")

You can wedge in some toothpicks or something into the sides of the metal sleeves in the stock between the metal and the wood of the stock to make it pinch the magazine much harder at the rear to hold the back of the magazine higher than the lug allows it to drop. This could permanently damage the metal though by bending it too much and could render the mag hard to impossible to remove etc Could leave it permanently attached and top load I guess as a possibility in this manner.

I know these aren't designed for the "Norinco" Enfield but as 99.3% of all people who are buying them are buying them for that model, I thought I'd post this as customer awareness aid considering the crazy price of them.

The only way I got it to work reliably (well about 75% of the time) was to push up constantly with considerable force on the bottom of the magazine while shooting the entire time.

I'll be posting mine for sale on the EE for about $70

I'm hoping this doesn't get deleted but these days on CGN..........
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Interesting, I bought 6 all have the same short locking lug. I have the same occasional ftf and hold open issues thought it was normal with these mgs in a Norinco. Does no one else have issues?
 
The critical measurement is not the length of the tab but rather the measurement from the top of the mag (where it mates with the receiver) and the bottom of the tab. These mags were designed to fit and feed firstly in the AIA rifle, and they do.

These mags are been used in a large variety of different” M14” type rifles, these rifles do show variations in quality and tolerances so we are not claiming they will work in every rifle out there. When I have checked any mags that have been returned they have always locked in place and activated the bolt catch when checked with a rifle in the store. When we have had a return I think the customer has returned all the mags he purchased rather than one out of a group making me suspicious that the problem may have been with the rifle. When we first received the shipment we checked fit function (including live firing) in the AIA, Norinco M305 (a short and long rifle from different production batches) my very old Springfield M1A and a Winchester M14 using IVI surplus ammo and had no problems.

The magazines should lock in tight, there should not be any up and down movement at the rear, if the rear of the mag will drop then FTF and failure to activate the bolt catch could be expected.

We have sold several thousand of these mags now and have had very few complaints and returns. If you read all the posts on this thread the general consensus is that they work well in the vast majority of rifles. It is possible that an odd mag has slipped through the production and is out of spec, these are mass produced not handmade. I don’t believe we have had a mag returned that was measurable out of spec or we would have reported that to the manufacture so we in turn could claim a replacement.


Please check our warranty policy, we will refund for any item if returned in original condition if we are contacted within 7 days of you receiving the order for a return authorization number. If you file or alter the magazine in any way we will not accept it’s return.
 
Right on. Sorry didn't look that hard. Tried your link on the first page - it doesn't work so assumed you were out. Thanks!
 
brianphung said:
Is this deal still going on for 5+ magazines?
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It would appear so: https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/P...E-Lander-A1A-M10-Type-.308-Magazine,-10-Round
From the above linked ad on Wolverine site:
Purchase 5 or more magazines for $55 each. Please note that the price will be adjusted once the order is received at the store.
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I do note a misprint on their ad where they mention havinng to possibly pin them to 10 rounds if you make the hole for the op spring. I suspect they mean five.
From their ad:
These mags are not M14 mags as they do not have the square hole in the front for the end of the M14 operating spring guide to fit into. This hole is not required in these mags for them to fit an M14 type rifle. It has been correctly pointed out that to make that hole in these mags could put you into the position of possessing a prohibited device, unless you permanently blocked them to a ten rd capacity.
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Since your location is Alberta I can help with that. Alberta hunting synopsis states semiauto centerfire firearms used for hunting big game in Alberta are limited to 5 rounds.

kbun said:
Can these be legally used for hunting? References on where info was found would be appriciated!
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kbun said:
Can these be legally used for hunting? References on where info was found would be appriciated!
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As supernova stated, in AB you're limited to 5 rounds in a semi center fire for game animals.

However, that rule doesn't apply to "non-game" species, so feel free to hit the gopher patch with it.
 
Relevant bit from the AB hunting regs:

ref: http://albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/genregs.html
BIG GAME

It is unlawful to

set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting big game:
ammunition of less than .23 calibre,
ammunition that contains non-expanding bullets,
an auto-loading firearm that has the capacity to hold more than 5 cartridges in the magazine,
a shotgun having a gauge of .410 or less,
a shotgun in a bird sanctuary,
bait, except as permitted for the hunting of black bears (click here for more information on Black Bear baiting),
an arrow other than an authorized arrow (click here for more information on bowhunting),
a bow other than an authorized bow (click here for more information on bowhunting),
a muzzle-loading firearm of less than .44 calibre,
a rifle or shotgun in WMUs 212, 248 or 410 (persons hunting under the authority of a Strathcona White-tailed Deer Licence, a Foothills Deer Licence, or an Antlerless Moose Special Licence in Strathcona County may hunt with a bow and arrow, cross-bow, muzzle loader or shotgun),
a trap,
a cross-bow and arrow that is not authorized (click here to view Hunting with a Cross-bow)
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Appreciate the info how about in manitoba as normally make a annual trip for deer season, or would it be the same ?
 
I don't think Manitoba has a 5 rnd rule in the hunting guide... But the hunting guide is just a synopsis of the actual regulations.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/wildlife/hunting/biggame/firearms.html

Centrefire Rifles
A centrefire rifle may be used to hunt big game only during general (rifle) seasons. A centrefire rifle of .23 calibre or less is not recommended.

General (Rifle) Seasons
During a big game general (rifle) season, a hunter may use a centrefire rifle, a shotgun (minimum 20 gauge) firing a single projectile, a muzzleloading firearm of appropriate calibre firing a single projectile, a crossbow, archery equipment or any combination of the above.


Loaded Firearms
A person may not have or carry a loaded firearm in or on any vehicle or discharge a firearm from any vehicle. A rifle or shotgun is considered loaded if it has a live shell or cartridge in the chamber, attached magazine or loading mechanism. A muzzleloader, with a charge in the barrel, may be transported between hunting sites only if the firing cap is removed or, in the case of a flintlock, the flint is removed. When not traveling between hunting sites, the firing cap or flint must be removed and the barrel must not contain a charge.
 
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