Just me rambling again...talk about goin that bit further, more often.

just an update on this setup!

Awesome! is what I can say, it was right what I was after!

ive since shot a Fallow button buck for the freezer and on the same morning,half an hour later I poked up the gulley a further 200meters and shot a nice Sambar stag , only 22 inch antlers but was great to show a non hunting mate how it happens , we harvested the Fallow for his consumption.
the shots were at 150m and 40m with the 139gr hornadys.

Today I then shot 300meters on the farm, working out my Drops and Hash marks, unfortunately the 300m POI landed inbetween 1 and 2 hashes, so I am hoping 350 hits the 2nd and 400 is on the 3rd, obviously this is a thing in progress but am rather pleased with the 40gr 2208 139gr load landing -8 inches at 300m, with a +2 poi at 100m!

I shot roughly a 3 inch group at 300m, then used the hash to hit POI an was 1 inch low of the X....

Awesome stuff so far! I'm glad I moved up from the 2-7 so far!
WL
 
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I like it. .do you hunt and shoot a lot above sea level.lools like a lot of big mountains in some of your post.sure is beautiful country.
 
WhelanLad said:
just an update on this setup!

Awesome! is what I can say, it was right what I was after!

ive since shot a Fallow button buck for the freezer and on the same morning,half an hour later I poked up the gulley a further 200meters and shot a nice Sambar stag , only 22 inch antlers but was great to show a non hunting mate how it happens , we harvested the Fallow for his consumption.
the shots were at 150m and 40m with the 139gr hornadys.

Today I then shot 300meters on the farm, working out my Drops and Hash marks, unfortunately the 300m POI landed inbetween 1 and 2 hashes, so I am hoping 350 hits the 2nd and 400 is on the 3rd, obviously this is a thing in progress but am rather pleased with the 40gr 2208 139gr load landing -8 inches at 300m, with a +2 poi at 100m!

I shot roughly a 3 inch group at 300m, then used the hash to hit POI an was 1 inch low of the X....

Awesome stuff so far! I'm glad I moved up from the 2-7 so far!
WL
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Okay, WL, now adjust your 100 meter poi up one inch to be three inches high. That will raise your 300 meter poi three inches, and reduce your 300 meter drop to five inches. Problem solved!

Nice animal. Keep the pictures coming, Friend.
Ted
 
Why not? said:
Okay, WL, now adjust your 100 meter poi up one inch to be three inches high. That will raise your 300 meter poi three inches, and reduce your 300 meter drop to five inches. Problem solved!

Nice animal. Keep the pictures coming, Friend.
Ted
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True?!
Interesting , its early am here , I'm having trouble computing this at the moment, LOL.

I have reservations about the short range drama which a +3 might have on the Deer in the timbers, perhaps its only a split second remember to hold low out to the 150 or so, but I was just thinking, if the shot was to be a 300m one, or some more, Would it be viable to CLICK UP 4 verticle turret before firing but still using your method of being -5 at 300m?

not sure if you get me but Bare with me... say I keep my current POI +2 for all day general hunting, then Say in the AM I am on fringe country and can really stretch the Legs too 300-400meters, would it be workable to simply CLICK 4 UP to setup for that 300+ shot ..
( which during home practise I can adjust the 4 up, shoot the hash at 300 and 400m for confirmation) ?

how do you see that mate?


Cheers!!
WL
 
dutchhunter said:
I like it. .do you hunt and shoot a lot above sea level.lools like a lot of big mountains in some of your post.sure is beautiful country.
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Gday Dutchy,
I live at 350 M ASL, an we typically hunt anywhere from 400m up to 1800M,as our biggest peaks are only 2200M high and under.

there seems to be a Scrub band right around 1000m of unhuntable stuff, or Deer heaven..

I live in on the Main Divide in the Northeast of Victoria, the main range runs from bottom of Vic into NSW, an is littered with Sambar deer!
It sure is beautiful country!

Thanks
 
WhelanLad said:
True?!
Interesting , its early am here , I'm having trouble computing this at the moment, LOL.

I have reservations about the short range drama which a +3 might have on the Deer in the timbers, perhaps its only a split second remember to hold low out to the 150 or so, but I was just thinking, if the shot was to be a 300m one, or some more, Would it be viable to CLICK UP 4 verticle turret before firing but still using your method of being -5 at 300m?

not sure if you get me but Bare with me... say I keep my current POI +2 for all day general hunting, then Say in the AM I am on fringe country and can really stretch the Legs too 300-400meters, would it be workable to simply CLICK 4 UP to setup for that 300+ shot ..
( which during home practise I can adjust the 4 up, shoot the hash at 300 and 400m for confirmation) ?

how do you see that mate?


Cheers!!
WL
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That would certainly work, WL, but is getting away from your original objective of not having to twist for elevation. I would suggest that you set that outfit up 3" high at 100, go to the range and shoot it to see how much difference it actually makes. It won't take long, and you won't be guessing.

Having said that, my guess is it will be less than four inches high at 150, still a bit high at 200, and dead on at around 225 or thereabouts. You can also determine the poi for the hash marks at the same time.

If you don't hold low on one of those animals at 150, will it actually make any difference? I know with my 270s, using both 130s and 150s, I can hold dead on a mountain sheep or caribou all the way out to 300, and be in the lungs every time. You 7mm-08 will come pretty close to that with 140s at 2800.

Just my thoughts on it,
Ted
 
Wl,

listen to the man ...

i always taught about no more than 1 inch at 100meters ( then i met Ted) changing that for some calibers like the 270/7-08 ...

and the 270 love come too ...
 
medvedqc said:
Wl,

listen to the man ...

i always taught about no more than 1 inch at 100meters ( then i met Ted) changing that for some calibers like the 270/7-08 ...

and the 270 love come too ...
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Well, when you look at 4 inches on a Tape,..... its really not that much I guess!!

I'm using the JBM calculator for interests sake, last night things seemed to be on par, using the +3 numbers on the JBM it show this..

+ 3 -100
+1 -200
-9 -300
-17 -350
-28 -400m

What I currently have going on is (*real)
+2 -100*
200 est
-8-9 -300*
30-32 -400m est




So I went an shot some Distance just now....... 23 degree C

100m after 4 clicks up is 2.5 inch high
300m was approx. 5 inch LOW but coinciding with the First Hash
I moved out to 340-345Meters shot like #### missed the Boxes but printed 2 on the paper, its not Good enough for a Result.................... one was like 13 inches low and the other like 22 inches low.... my stuff up as without thinkin I lined up the Hash with the X but then Went back to Crosshair ontop of Box as I should of originally..... -13 sounds ok ish..

But then I come home an put into JBM and nothing Matches...

I'm now out of Hornady 139s........... but will be loading the Woodleighs I guess and just worry about 300m Drop to coincide with that First Hash mark.......

Great to get some Trigger time an burn out those Hornadys but frriiiiiickkkk am I scratchin my head now LOL.

100% down to shooter Error...
Target shooting aint my Forte!
WL
 
WhelanLad said:
..... will be loading the Woodleighs I guess and just worry about 300m Drop to coincide with that First Hash mark.......

Great to get some Trigger time an burn out those Hornadys but frriiiiiickkkk am I scratchin my head now LOL.

100% down to shooter Error...
Target shooting aint my Forte!
WL
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Exactly, WL. Get the Woodleighs sighted in like that, so they are coincident with the first hash. Then carefully shoot groups at 350 and 400 meters, to see how they coincide with the next hash marks. You are getting close to your goal.

Don't feel bad or give up if the groups aren't what you expect. All of us get a lesson when we actually shoot on paper with our hunting rifles at extended distances. Mine is often a college education. V:I:

Another lesson. Forget the ballistic calculator. They may be close, but rarely produce the same results you discover afield. Nothing beats actually shooting the bullet you are going to use.

Good stuff! Keep the reports coming.

Ted
 
Why not? said:
Exactly, WL. Get the Woodleighs sighted in like that, so they are coincident with the first hash. Then carefully shoot groups at 350 and 400 meters, to see how they coincide with the next hash marks. You are getting close to your goal.

Don't feel bad or give up if the groups aren't what you expect. All of us get a lesson when we actually shoot on paper with our hunting rifles at extended distances. Mine is often a college education. V:I:

Another lesson. Forget the ballistic calculator. They may be close, but rarely produce the same results you discover afield. Nothing beats actually shooting the bullet you are going to use.

Good stuff! Keep the reports coming.

Ted
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Gday Ted,
Thanks for kind words of encouragement, it is a real head scratcher when things don't fall into place, yet in the field you can proberly knock one over at said distance!! You would know yourself these ultralights are sketchy to shoot straight at the best of days but I'm printing shots side by side at 100, skipping the 200 for now as I'm not worried but the 300, its ok when I hold er steady but I think at 350 I was unsettled as I should of been with the young fella wanting to go shoot 22lr all day inbetween trying to pump 2 at a time at distance.

The forum I frequent in Australia has nothing like what we speak of here, if you asked if anyone has played with +3 POIs and stuff like that they think you are crazy because everyone knows u need a whizbang scope with turrets..... but they lack the experience that I find so valuable, this thread is just one for example.


I'm goin to load up a Tonne of my Woodleighs 140gr PPSN to my usual load, I should be able to Sight in Thursday morning before heading off in the field.. I did write down the difference in POI from the 139s and the 140s so I might be able to save a few shots for a 100m +3 Zero.

I'm going to take your advice about the ballistic calculator simply because I trust you but I also don't know my Velocity apart from guestimating off ADIs reloading Data, deviding the Velocity per Grains and coming up with a number roughly 2770 :D remembering my chamber is tight an I get pressure signs past where I am. not willing to do anymore with the load..
40gr 2208 fed primers 69 or 70mm oal for internal magazine....


I will do what you mention of worrying about the first Hash with my Winter hunting load... iirc the 139s an 140s basically fly the same!!

Thanks Ted, appreciate it!
TBC!
WL
 
Run your loads over a chronograph. Chances are you're not getting as much speed as you think, which would give you more drop than you think at extended ranges.
 
9.3 I have played with the calculator an went more an less, I would need a chronograph but I don't really have access for a while, one day its on my list!
I'm not one to really play wit hthat stuff but I am more inclined to do what Ted has said, shoot it an see!

cheers!
WL
 
heres one for yas, with my 140gr load sighted in +2, the 139s used to hit .6 to the right of the Crosshairs..........
now I've sighted +2.5 with 139s.......... what Clicks which way Do you think I need to Re Zero the 140s to get me "Close" to Where I want to be, for minimum wastage of Bullets for Zero :D
I've changed Scopes since so I cant just click it to a Preset like I did wth the 2-7..... maybe I'm over doing this one though

its midnight, I'm tired, I'm off to the big city lights of Melbourne tomorrow , ive prepped a heap of Brass and have 20 shots already loaded... my brains done for a few dayyyys.

Good night Fellas, ill be in touch in a few days!

cheers
Rhys


EDIT

Well I got to sight in Today, a REALLY quick trip to the City! went down, dropped off my Son and Father to Airport and turned arund, straight home, an even got a Sight in with the Kimber and Woodleighs.

I got to re align my Crosshair last night as the slight tilt did my head in, Went to Resight and the first shot was 30 clicks to the Left from my Bull........
guestimated from the Shooting area and hit 30 clicks for another test and , It was close ( +3.5 an 1 inch Left still) ! I shot a 3rd but to much adjustment, so made final adjustments to where I thought it would want to be, A good solid feeling shot no flinching and Wallaaaaahhh.

eggzachary 2.5 inches high vertically inline with my Bull...

Pics to come.

17 loaded Shots ready for the Next 4 days hunting :)

Cheers!
WL
 
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