K 98 parts question ??? with pics

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I pick up a K98 BCD 41. sporter stock. Most parts are correct for the 3 digit. ser.# except for the all 4 digit matching #'s of the trigger guard, floor plate & the ( 2 ) screws ???. Could this have been done in a cleaning at a table during the war ???. Any ideas & thanks for any info.

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Guns were put together or factory refurbished with whatever parts they had on hand, especially during war time. They were not concerned about collector value over functionality. Having that said, its been sporterized and there is no collector value in your rifle anyway. There is value as a shooter and hunting rifle, but little to a collector unless he can restore it or use it for parts.
 
Fiddler thanks for the info & it makes seance on put together or factory refur. . Not interested in a collector value just was wondering about them parts & how it would get like that. Almost the same as the M1 carbine or others. We will be LOOKING for a Military stock for it. Will be checking out the shooting part on Sun. I was told the sights on them were set at 150 yds ???.
 
fiddler said:
Guns were put together or factory refurbished with whatever parts they had on hand, especially during war time. They were not concerned about collector value over functionality. Having that said, its been sporterized and there is no collector value in your rifle anyway. There is value as a shooter and hunting rifle, but little to a collector unless he can restore it or use it for parts.
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Sorry this is FALSE. Care was taken to the last day of the war to number parts and ensure things were correct. They never “threw” together guns. Even at depots salvaged parts has the old number struck out and remumbered. Odds are best it’s just a mismatched part. Pics would be helpful to tell you anything for sure, but it didn’t come from the factory this way. Or a repair depot. And even cleaning table is not likely. Soldiers got in trouble over that type of stuff. The Germans even published a notice in a newspaper about a soldier having mismatched bayonet and wanting the correct bayonet back.....
 
Wow! You have a scarce depot build there! it's a shame the bottom metal is mm. I can't remember the depot XII right now but I can look when I get home or maybe canadianAR knows off hand.

I would like to see more pictures of the barrel, bolt and other markings.
 
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Wow! You have a scarce depot build there! it's a shame the bottom metal is mm. I can't remember the depot XII right now but I can look when I get home or maybe canadianAR knows off hand.

I would like to see more pictures of the barrel, bolt and other markings.
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My google-fu is failing me, how can one identify a depot build? I have a badly mismatched RC Mauser with a X. serial numbered receiver, but various forums and sites have so much random information on proof marks and supplier ID marks I haven't been able to quite figure it out.
 
Built at the Mainz-Kastel depot. If you want to sell and find a more complete gun, I am looking for a depot build for my k98k collection.

 
CanadianAR said:
Sorry this is FALSE. Care was taken to the last day of the war to number parts and ensure things were correct. They never “threw” together guns. Even at depots salvaged parts has the old number struck out and remumbered. Odds are best it’s just a mismatched part. Pics would be helpful to tell you anything for sure, but it didn’t come from the factory this way. Or a repair depot. And even cleaning table is not likely. Soldiers got in trouble over that type of stuff. The Germans even published a notice in a newspaper about a soldier having mismatched bayonet and wanting the correct bayonet back.....
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Who, other than yourself implied that it was the Germans that refurbed the rifles? You're making assumptions and then refering to it as fact.



Captured rifles, confiscated rifles, surplus, scrap metal rifles were in numbers of millions. Thousands of warehouses and surplus shops have been putting these rifles back into the consumer market for over 75 years. Some slapped them together, some made beautiful sporting rifles, Some just used whatever parts they can to make operating rifles for a cheap market price.

For one to assume that all German rifles came only from German armorers is a bit deficient in knowledge and understanding of what became of German rifles after the war ended..
 
fiddler said:
Who, other than yourself implied that it was the Germans that refurbed the rifles? You're making assumptions and then refering to it as fact.



Captured rifles, confiscated rifles, surplus, scrap metal rifles were in numbers of millions. Thousands of warehouses and surplus shops have been putting these rifles back into the consumer market for over 75 years. Some slapped them together, some made beautiful sporting rifles, Some just used whatever parts they can to make operating rifles for a cheap market price.

For one to assume that all German rifles came only from German armorers is a bit deficient in knowledge and understanding of what became of German rifles after the war ended..
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Your initial post stating "especially during war time" implied, at least to me, that you were discussing war time manufacture and what the Germans did as far as production and reworking rifles.
 
In regards to the OP's rifle, it is a depot build built by the Mainz-Kastel depot as CanadianAR pointed out. The depot builds were as close to "throwing together rifles with whatever parts they had on hand" as German manufacture ever got but even then they follow fairly consistent patterns and procedures. Often they were built using a lot of armorers spare parts but recycled parts were used as well. Recycled parts were renumbered to match and the original numbers lined out, x'd out, or scrubbed off completely. They can be a bit of a minefield to collect as they are easier to fake but comparing to known good examples and learning the patterns helps to distinguish the legit depot builds.
 
S00py said:
My google-fu is failing me, how can one identify a depot build? I have a badly mismatched RC Mauser with a X. serial numbered receiver, but various forums and sites have so much random information on proof marks and supplier ID marks I haven't been able to quite figure it out.
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I would have to see pics of yours to tell you what you have. You can pm me if you like so we don't hijack the op's thread. In this case the OP's depot build was identified by the Roman numerical code assigned to the depot Mainz-Kastel. Assuming your "x" isn't just the RC "X" then it would be for the depot Hamburg-Glinde.

Here is a Posen depot build I restored using all unnumbered armorers spare parts for comparison:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/909450-Rare-depot-build-K98k-restored!
 
fiddler said:
Who, other than yourself implied that it was the Germans that refurbed the rifles? You're making assumptions and then refering to it as fact.



Captured rifles, confiscated rifles, surplus, scrap metal rifles were in numbers of millions. Thousands of warehouses and surplus shops have been putting these rifles back into the consumer market for over 75 years. Some slapped them together, some made beautiful sporting rifles, Some just used whatever parts they can to make operating rifles for a cheap market price.

For one to assume that all German rifles came only from German armorers is a bit deficient in knowledge and understanding of what became of German rifles after the war ended..
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You said “wartime”. Which isn’t the case. And factories didn’t refurb during the war either. Maybe you misspoke.
I’m just correcting what is a common misconception and myth that’s often repeated.
 
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