Blastattack
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Proof is in the pudding my friends!
K&M M17S Approved!
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Right in time after x95 and B&T disappointments. It's getting more and more interesting. IRG promised to announce the price soon. Won't be import fee if sold from IRG. Import fee is only for third party items. They also rivet some number of mags for free.
B & T disappointments?
Wolverine .303
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I would also like to know the "Disappointments" on either the X95 and the B&T, did you purchase one and there was an issue?
Not for me personally. But for many from "non-restricted modern rifle" crowd. There are enough forum threads on those two. Regardless of that, M17S is a player that will compete to B&Ts and X95s.
Most of the complaints with the B&T were regarding the poor stock design when using optics. I haven't held or shot one yet but it sounds like most of the B&T problems are solved with a cheek rest, a kydex one was built by one of our members and initial reports were good, the trigger can't be as bad as a Tavor so with a little shooting a person will get used to it. Initially some said the trigger was good but as usual if it isn't a Geisselle it's not good enough.
The accuracy problems or "disappointments" with the X95 sound mostly like unrealistic expectations of the platform. It sounds like both rifles have been reliable and have done what they were designed to do but since this is CGN that isn't good enough for some.
Semi auto can be very accurate, not typically bolt gun accurate but I've owned and shot a few AR-10's and 15's that would fairly regularly print 1 moa or better with quality ammo, I'm not a good enough shooter (even off a rest) to be consistent enough to repeat that type of accuracy every time.
It just costs more for those rifles and requires a shooter who is experienced and capable of shooting a semi auto accurately. Also, these days $3000 is becoming an entry level non restricted semi unless you want to go to Norinco or Kel-Tec so the old "for that price it should be sub moa" rant doesn't really apply.
8-9 pounds is pretty standard for a piston operated semi auto these days. The problem is that a good portion of that weight is the long barrel hanging way out in front of you so the rifle is not well suited to action shooting where you're shooting freehand.
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In business there's such a thing as "setting customer expectations". It's not a customer fault he expects decent accuracy out of $3000 rifle. It's a business failure not to be able to communicate existing accuracy information. And then blaming users on poor shooting skills - that was brilliant. Very Delta-like.
That is very true but to simply expect incredible accuracy because it costs a certain amount without doing any research is silly. If accuracy is a very important factor in a persons decision to buy one then waiting for some range reports before dishing out $3000 would make a lot more sense than buying it and then being disappointed when it shows up.
A 20" .308 still may not balance out - even in a bullpup. It will certainly be better than other platforms. It looks like the grip can be changed out (this is appealing to me).
I expect it to be right around $3k CAD plus GST, import costs and UN marking.
I expect it to be right around $3k CAD plus GST, import costs and UN marking.
Yes, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one to see how they handle and shoot. I won't be on any pre-order lists but they definitely look good
Oh ya, forgot about that, hmmmm... $3900 all in?
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How about we wait for the actual price to get posted before we lose our collective minds on the cost.
From what I've heard it will be competitive with the x95.
Ken does amazing work with his triggers. This will be the nicest bullpup trigger around guaranteed. I've got a Bushmaster M17s upgraded by Ken and it is awesome. This is his own build and he doesn't do shoddy work.
From what I've heard it will be competitive with the x95.
Ken does amazing work with his triggers. This will be the nicest bullpup trigger around guaranteed. I've got a Bushmaster M17s upgraded by Ken and it is awesome. This is his own build and he doesn't do shoddy work.
Here's the price
http://www.kmarms.com/M17S556.html
Conversion+tax+import+UN marking= fairly easy to predict cost +/- a couple hundred dollars.
angrysoldier
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so who will be selling these in canada???
