K31 diopter: who's tried these out?

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Since I have a nice, shiny K31 headed my way, I've been looking at sight options. Can anyone give me a little more info on the Swiss Products diopter set? I'm looking at the one Tradeex carries. I kind of want to get into some longer range shooting without the scope and thought this rifle might fit the bill.

Curious about installation, performance and any extras that might be needed. I found mention of it in a few older threads, but only vague descriptions and a pic or two.

Thanks
 
K31 diopter? Never heard of it. :)

Front sight mounts just behind the original front sight and is held on by four screws(4-40?).
Rear sight is held by by one large screw clamps a block from inside the receiver in the thumb cut.
I suggust centering the left /right adjustment and lowering the height all the way down before mounting it.

First shots should be used to line up the front sight housing to the centered diopter to enable you to have the most left right windage available to you.
This means loosening the four front screws and moving the front sight housing in the opposite direction you want the impact to go.
(Note: if your rifle shoots fine with irons, use the irons to help you line up and do the above to get within a few inches of your aim mark at 100yds.)
You will not have much, if any, elevation adjustments available to go below 100 yds with most rifles, but will have enough to go to 1000 yds with the latest P/S Diopter. Some rifles needed a thin shim between the top of the barrel and the front sight assembly to get a 100yd zero. Steel shim 0.015” thick under front sight clamp lowers POI almost 2 MOA, if necessary, for 100 yard shooting. A Post front sight will give a lower impact than a ring type.
Elevation range adjustment was tested at 37.95 true MOA on the prototype

Front sight takes M18 size apertures. Kit comes with one to get you going. Could be from 2.8mm to 3.2mm
I use a Gehmann 522 adjuatable aperture that has a range of 2.5mm to 4.3mm. Size you need depends on black of target size, distance, and light conditions that same day, and how much sleep you got the night before.

Rear sight on the Swiss Products P/S diopter uses standard Anschütz iris thread which most of the latest irises use.
One basic Gehmann or Anschütz rear iris comes with kit.
Original W&F Swiss diopters use a smaller propriorty thread size and pitch.

Adjustments on the Swiss Products are basically 1/4 MOA in direction you want inpact to go.

Adjustments on W&F diopters are the same, but as in all German sights which have the word "bye" on them, adjust "BY" where the shot was, not where you want the shot to go.
Direction H(oche) if your shot was high, T(iefe) if your shot was low, L(inks) if your shot was on/by the left, R(echt) if shot was on/by the right.
Need anything else?
 
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↓ Swiss Products P/S diopter with Gehmann 568MC iris, not original. Two polarizer filter and five color filters.
Sight has limited eye relief adjustment. Most do not.



↓ Gehmann 522 Adjustable Front Sight Iris screws into back of Swiss Products Front sight lock ring.






↓ View through a Swiss made W&F diopter with ring aperture. They use Lyman 17A size apertures, not Anschütz size.


↓ Anschütz thread Iris on left, came with Swiss Products diopter , W&F size aftermarket Gehmann 511 iris on right.


↓ Apertures for Swiss Products- M18 size.


↓ Album:
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/carlosdiaopter/library/Diopters?sort=3&page=1
 
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So what you're saying Diopter, is that you like them?
:)
That's a pretty good start and about what I'm looking for. One more question: are there multiple models of the Swiss Products sight or are they all essentially the same?

Thanks again!
 
The Swiss Products diopters evolved over the years.
They only make the latest 1000yd SP now.

First version had no eye relief adjustment.
Second version clamped-on to the Swiss Products scope rail.
Latest PS 1000yd changed to steel to conform to Swiss Shooting regs so that it can be used worldwide.
 
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I have the older Swiss product diopter, that uses their standard scope mount. It was a breeze to install and by luck was nearly spot-on at 100 yards even before I started adjusting it. I'm running the standard front and rear iris and it's doing just fine. Just don't over-tighten the screws holding the front globe and you'll be fine. I shot about 300 rounds since installing it and no screws have come loose even without loc-tite.

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As diopter as shown you can swap out the irises to fit your shooting style so it's a great modular system, and best of all it's not a permanent modification so the rifle can be turned back to original condition in a few minutes.

the peep sight, everyone should have one

Couldn't agree more! I have three rifles that are fitted with diopters and I'm always looking for more. :D
 
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