Kapowwwwwww!!!!!!!!

FN said:
Looks like a Glock marketing move that had everthing to do with making money and very little to do with safety. IMO, the G22 still needs a frame up overhaul.
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I thought their proven "safety" was what made these the choice of LEO's WorldWide?

Did they consider re-loaders when designing it, no apparantly not but that doesn't mean they are crap. Just because reloaders like myself have issues with swelling brass due to an unsupported chamber doesn't make it less of a gun. For me, a bigger issue is the trigger pull and that is mostly due to the built in safety features of the gun. I mentioned (or alluded too .. I forget) further back in this thread that I have simply accepted that I will be replacing my brass for this gun more frequently than for the others I reload for, hardly a big deal or great expense for that matter.
 
echo4lima said:
Wow, go easy, the guy was just asking a question, off yer meds??



So real-life trainer, if you had a squib during ' go - time' how would you act? So just how many gun fights have you been in???
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did you even read this whole post? the gun still recoiled as usual, and i could see the target frame move after the shot.

you really want to know why i came across harsh? look back a few posts and people are still replying about how it must have been bad brass or reloaded ammo, when it was made very clear that it was brand new. it's like you have to profess to being a total noob and know nothing about guns to post here, or face judgement from the 10,000 strong Panel Of Experts. These pics are for the education of the shooting community. But instead of reading that it was brand new aluminum casing, etc..... they post with zero thought.

would you have just stood there and looked at your gun? I really don't care how you shoot. As stated above, you don't have to agree with me, just respect the fact that i have the right to shoot reality based drills, just as you have the right to shoot at a piece of paper while standing in one spot.

Just how many gunfights have i been in? None. Hope it stays that way. And yourself?
 
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manboy said:
did you even read this whole post? the gun still recoiled as usual, and i could see the target frame move after the shot.
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Didn't say you HAD a squib, was wondering what you would do with your (train like you fight attitude) if you ended up with a squib, was wondering what YOUR IA drill would have been.

manboy said:
you really want to know why i came across harsh? look back a few posts and people are still replying about how it must have been bad brass or reloaded ammo, when it was made very clear that it was brand new. it's like you have to profess to being a total noob and know nothing about guns to post here, or face judgement from the 10,000 strong Panel Of Experts. These pics are for the education of the shooting community. But instead of reading that it was brand new aluminum casing, etc..... they post with zero thought.
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You still kinda "killed a fly with a sledge hammer" when you responded to the guy's post, but I see your point.

manboy said:
would you have just stood there and looked at your gun? I really don't care how you shoot. As stated above, you don't have to agree with me, just respect the fact that i have the right to shoot reality based drills, just as you have the right to shoot at a piece of paper while standing in one spot.
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Easy pal, once again, get back on yer meds. No, I would have likely done the same, but the way you said it in your original post...

manboy said:
Just how many gunfights have i been in? None. Hope it stays that way. And yourself?
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Several, most with rifle some with m240, and lucky for me,no mechanical failures.
 
yeah, i guess i never answered your question. if it had been a squib i would have holstered my gun (time permitting) and transitioned to my knife. or ran like hell. fortuneately for me it wasn't a failure. the gun still extracted and continued to function as per normal. i simply noticed a flame shoot from the top and a little bit of junk fly against my glasses.
 
ManBoy,

Thanks for posting those pics, for us newbies out there the wealth of knowledge you guys have to offer is always top notch.

The point of eye and ears, not to mention general safety is always drilled home to us when mishaps like this are shared with the rest of the community.

Thank you again for taking the time to post the photos and explain what happened.
 
Critter81, glad you gained some info! don't take my outbursts too seriously, i'm not good at remembering to use stupid smiley faces when i post, so i imagine it looks like im a serious mofo sometimes.

Dude, you mean you want to see me stab a piece of paper? or run like hell? either way you guys can have a good laugh!
 
manboy said:
Critter81, glad you gained some info! don't take my outbursts too seriously, i'm not good at remembering to use stupid smiley faces when i post, so i imagine it looks like im a serious mofo sometimes.

Dude, you mean you want to see me stab a piece of paper? or run like hell? either way you guys can have a good laugh!
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Hey thanks for the thread. It got me thinking. The extra exciting made for good color.

cheers
 
Here's a REAL KB

.40 S&W in a G34.
Commercial reloads. This was 4 or 5 years ago, RA range in Ottawa.

No idea how many times this particular casing was fired beforehand.
Ron (member of this board but mostly on EE as he buys and sells guns frequently) 'singed' his hand (notice burn marks between fingers), mag blew out the magwell, but otherwise no apparent damage (other than my ears from the extra loud bang and extra loud cussing that immediately followed. Ron was shooting in the stall right next to me).

He returned the remainder of the ammo for a refund, eventually sold the gun, but has since bought another Glock .40, this time a G35.

I've used hundreds upon hundreds of rounds of the same ammo in my G22 (yes, with stock factory bbl) and never had this happen.

I would suggest that KB's with NEW factory ammo are rare to non-existant.

And oh yeah, I've fired a few boxes of aluminum cased Blazer thru my G22 (got it for a fairly good deal) and I'm not too comfortable with aluminum cases for .40 S&W, but so far have had no "issues".

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it'll be interesting to see what others do. See if the mindset of "i have a gun so everything will be all right" prevails. Or see if they adapt. Just something more for the shooter to think about.

Remember last shoot? One gentleman had a bad malfunction, was screwing with it trying to correct it, all the while he had a backup gun.
 
Deckard said:
Is it just G22s?
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I haven't heard of KBs in any of the others. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened but the 40 S&W seems to be the one that does it regularly. There is usually one posted on GlockTalk every couple of weeks...Probably due to the high pressures from that round. It does seem strange that it never happens in the G20, another .40 caliber high pressure round, though.

I don't think the correct term for the G22s chamber is 'unsupported'. It is just less supported than others:D The downside is a potential KB, while the upside is that the Glock will feed every type of ammo reliably. There is nothing my G21 won't eat without fail. If it will fit in the mag, it will feed and fire. FP bullets that would choke a 1911 80% of the time are no problem. Everything in life is a trade off...

As for metal vs. plastic, to each there own, as there are advantages and disadvantages to both. For example, my G21 with a full mag is lighter than an similarly chambered metal gun empty. That alone is enough to make me like plastic. Besides, in the case of a KB, I would rather be sprayed with bits of plastic than metal anyday.;)

Glad you weren't injured Manboy. Like someone else said, send the pictures to CCI and ask them to make it up to you. Factory ammo should not let go like that regardless of what brand of gun it is shot out of.
 
That picture could have just as easily been brass. And from another gun. Occasionally, a faulty round will make it into a box that is sold in the store to people like me and you. Nothing you can really do about it, unless you want to x-ray every round before it goes into the mag. A split case can occur the very next time you pull the trigger. Glock, brass, factory ammo or not.

If this scares you, take up knitting.

Manboy just posted the pic for information purposes. Obviously it was needed by at least some of the posters.
 
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