Kel-tec bullpup shotgun

FrankieT said:
I've shot the Neostat. I loved the design (Bullpup fanboy) and the capacity, but was very disappointed in the finish of the shotty. The plastic was very poor quality and prone to damage.

I hope that Kel Tec ensures good function and uses better materials than the NS2000. I'd be in.
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I was told by the manufacturer that they had a bad batch of forearm polymer, but that was resolved in further productions. I had my handguard replaced for free and there has been no signs of trouble since.
 
greentips said:
Neostead is pretty much a fail - the reverse pump action is slow because arm will naturally pull the action to the back at recoil.
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Have you shot the Neostead? It is actually more natural to have it reverse pump. The recoiling action causes the gun to move back, while your forearm is holding the forearm in place. By the time your mind registers to pump the gun, it's already half pumped. You can get going pretty fast with this method of pump action.
 
sgt.rock said:
Does it make it in the "Overall length" category to be Non-restricted? Don't matter to me, I have my restricted, but just askin. I thought 30" was min oal but I'm probably wrong.
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mmattockx said:
The actual number is 660mm, which is 25.984". Depending on exactly how Kel-Tec measured that 26" number, it should be OK. An extra 1/4" of recoil pad or barrel length would be welcome just to avoid walking the razor's edge, though.


Nobody knows yet, but I am sure the RCMP will do their damndest to make it at least restricted if they can't prohibit it altogether.
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Wrong Way said:
26" OAL? Why the hell do these companies have to make everything 1/2" too short?
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P12 said:
Its not too short, its just right, 26 inches = 660.3999999992867 mm
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Wrong Way said:
OK Smartass.

Here, I'll dumb it down.....The cutoff length is 660mm....that's 25.984"....when have you EVER seen a manufacturer list their measurements to .001"? They DON'T. They round up or down.... ALWAYS.

So...do YOU think .016 is a comfortable buffer? You do realize that a rubber buttpad compresses more than that...don't ya? You think the RCMP wouldn't pull the tape tight to the pad to suit their agenda? Do you even know what the ACTUAL length is? I guarantee you it's not exactly 26".....here's the rub brainiac: A manufacturer adding that extra .5" is a waaaaay safer buffer.

THAT'S what I meant.

Now: Go criticize someone who you really are smarter than, not someone you THINK you are smarter than ;)
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Read the criminal code again everybody. The 26" OAL only applies to REDUCTIONS IN OVERALL LENGTH. If you had a shotgun with an OAL of 30", but the stock folded to 25" and it could still be fired, then it'd be restricted. If it was made at 25" and could not be reduced in length any further it'd be non-restricted.

Here is the verbage again for the mass uninformed:

“restricted firearm” means

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,

(b) a firearm that

(i) is not a prohibited firearm,

(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and

(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise
 
try790 said:
If it is as reliable as an 870 or a 590, then this will probably be the most revolutionary shotgun design since Browning. I am glad it is pump, so I won't have to worry about differently powered shells not cycling (especially considering the 2-load philosophy people are theorycrafting right now).
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This. It looks as cool as all hell (nowhere near as cool as a David Mackay Brown round action though), but I'd be concerned about reliability (I've heard little good about Kel-Tec in that department), and wonder about the lead time on it. Kel-Tec announced the RFB when? And has anybody actually taken delivery of one yet?

Also, I question the real-world practicality of it. I don't recall reading many AARs about real-world gunfights where current-generation single-tube pumps have actually run dry (in fact, ISTR that most tend to end with a single round fired from the shotgun). So I'd see a lot of the people who kick down people and shoot doors for a living being slow to adopt these. They certainly haven't jumped all over the Neostead, but that might be for other reasons, as Greentips mentions.

Also, the lack of choke tubes, need for twin 6-round or one 7-round and one 5-round magazine plug, short sighting plane, and as-of-yet unknown handling and functioning in wet/dirty conditions make it pretty dubious for most of what I personally use shotguns for (jihad against hares, grouse, deer, turkeys and clay pigeons).

I'll be sticking to my 870's and doubles until all you early adopters have put several thousand rounds down the tubes and any bugs have been worked out. That being said, if it runs well and holds up in the long term, what a fun range toy :D and it'll probably be the new gold standard for zombie/HD/sci-fi movie weapons. And I cannot but wholeheartedly endorse anything that'll make Wendy get all puffed up, shrill, and indignant as that thing will.
 
rdelliott said:
Also, the lack of choke tubes, need for twin 6-round or one 7-round and one 5-round magazine plug, short sighting plane, and as-of-yet unknown handling and functioning in wet/dirty conditions make it pretty dubious for most of what I personally use shotguns for (jihad against hares, grouse, deer, turkeys and clay pigeons).

I'll be sticking to my 870's and doubles until all you early adopters have put several thousand rounds down the tubes and any bugs have been worked out.
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One of the questions about this gun is how well a pump-action, bottom eject will work as part of a bullpup configuration. Tucked in the shoulder the empties will come straight down on to the shooter's chest or possibly his arm. If the hull gets caught up in load bearing gear or tacticool vest and doesn't fully clear the receiver then you are out of action until you clear the gun.
 
This. It looks as cool as all hell (nowhere near as cool as a David Mackay Brown round action though), but I'd be concerned about reliability (I've heard little good about Kel-Tec in that department), and wonder about the lead time on it. Kel-Tec announced the RFB when? And has anybody actually taken delivery of one yet?
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A few (RFB's) have been received and fired, some threads going on this!

Added: No sure if your talking about the RFB or Shotgun ?
Time will tell if the current offerings are an indication of reliability and quality issues.... still cool as hell tho.
 
Claybuster said:
One of the questions about this gun is how well a pump-action, bottom eject will work as part of a bullpup configuration. Tucked in the shoulder the empties will come straight down on to the shooter's chest or possibly his arm. If the hull gets caught up in load bearing gear or tacticool vest and doesn't fully clear the receiver then you are out of action until you clear the gun.
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Its never happened to me with my Neostead, no I wasnt wearing gear. I think the Neo is a better design as its very easy to load shells in the tubes from the top and the reverse pump is really the way a pump shotty should operate.

The Neo is overpriced but has worked perfectly, I love how you can alternate between buck and slugs instantly :)
 
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