They were just released.....the Tavor's been out for awhile now. Although it's rare, you do see the odd Tavor on EE. RFB will come soon (at a premium) to the EE, but again, at a premium (as described in numerous threads as of late).
Kel Tek RFB or Travor 21
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They were just released.....the Tavor's been out for awhile now. Although it's rare, you do see the odd Tavor on EE. RFB will come soon (at a premium) to the EE, but again, at a premium (as described in numerous threads as of late).
Never heard of Gorilla tape....In my Mil days it was referred to as gun tape and I think Sail sells it as gun tape. A military rifle with gun tape on it makes it just that much more authentic!
A Tavor and RFB are for different applications and cost schedule, not easy to pick one, right now both are pretty much unobtainable. I would love an RFB to compliment my collection....someday...!
A Tavor and RFB are for different applications and cost schedule, not easy to pick one, right now both are pretty much unobtainable. I would love an RFB to compliment my collection....someday...!
Some further information on the RFB Vs Tavor debate:
As I mentioned earlier the RFB isn't a battle rifle even though the action is built on the same premise as the famous FAL which also shared the same operating principle of the Russian SVT40/SVT38 (Yes they had this in 1938). It's a very cool and simple design.
The RFB rifle itself is slimmer than the Tavor but heavier due to more metal. Keep in mind the Tavor has a Titanium insert for the action. The action of the Tavor is also more sophisticated.
The Tavor will stand up to abuse. It's a very good and reliable firearm with excellent ergonomics.
The RFB is more elegant even in a strange bullpup way. It's thinner, feels solid and well built. But... it's not a battle rifle. There are screws on the Safety, on the bolt release (both sides) and throughout the stock. I don't mind throughout the stock (PS90 style) but the safety and the bolt release? That's not up to the task for hard use. Plus the ergonomics are typical bullpup flawed unlike the Tavor. Where the RFB really shines is the decent trigger. Could be lighter but still very crisp unlike the other bullpups.
Bottom line the RFB is a really cool .308 semi auto bullpup sporting rifle. Law enforcement might use them, but in it's current form I don't see the military having any interest.
The Tavor is a really cool 5.56 semi auto bullpup military quality rifle.
The criteria really comes down to 5.56 or .308. Bullpup or standard configuration, restricted or non restricted. Sporter or milspec quality.
As I mentioned earlier the RFB isn't a battle rifle even though the action is built on the same premise as the famous FAL which also shared the same operating principle of the Russian SVT40/SVT38 (Yes they had this in 1938). It's a very cool and simple design.
The RFB rifle itself is slimmer than the Tavor but heavier due to more metal. Keep in mind the Tavor has a Titanium insert for the action. The action of the Tavor is also more sophisticated.
The Tavor will stand up to abuse. It's a very good and reliable firearm with excellent ergonomics.
The RFB is more elegant even in a strange bullpup way. It's thinner, feels solid and well built. But... it's not a battle rifle. There are screws on the Safety, on the bolt release (both sides) and throughout the stock. I don't mind throughout the stock (PS90 style) but the safety and the bolt release? That's not up to the task for hard use. Plus the ergonomics are typical bullpup flawed unlike the Tavor. Where the RFB really shines is the decent trigger. Could be lighter but still very crisp unlike the other bullpups.
Bottom line the RFB is a really cool .308 semi auto bullpup sporting rifle. Law enforcement might use them, but in it's current form I don't see the military having any interest.
The Tavor is a really cool 5.56 semi auto bullpup military quality rifle.
The criteria really comes down to 5.56 or .308. Bullpup or standard configuration, restricted or non restricted. Sporter or milspec quality.
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RFB...can do more overall IMO but either or would be great fun to have
Try taking a polar,walrus,or a whale with a .223 tavor -
This is Canada not the Sinai ------------
How may whales, polar, walrus, have you and any of your friends taken????
How may whales, polar, walrus, have you and any of your friends taken????
Hey, some nights it's not easy being the wingman!
RevolverRodger
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Where can I buy the RFB ?
RememberTheSomme
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I guess, "just down right ugly", is the new rave! Sorry guys but the Brit SA- 80 and the French FaMas made me feel a little under the weather 30 years ago, looked like both countries were thinking the battles of the future were going to be fought in broom closets. Imagine the Brit's shelfing a fine "Battle Rifle" for a Goalie stick. I'm happy our Army still considers a rifle with its parts still in traditional order. Anyone else not really aroused by these Bullpuppies?
It's the genesis of the rifle... Many felt the same way when Glock introduced the polymer pistol... now everyone is in the game. From and engineering and ergonomics point of view, moving the bulk of the weight closer to the center line of the shooter, makes for a better handling and easier to use platform.
This allows the shooter to stay on target for a protracted period of time, without the fatigue associated with a traditional rifle platform. It also provides a full length barrel for higher velocities, and more impact energy, in a package that is typically smaller than a M4 carbine.
In the late 80's I purchased my first non-restricted AR-15 instead of a Steyr Aug (to save a few hundred bucks), and always regretted that decision. I've since sold all my AR's, and have revamped the collection with several non-restricted bullpup rifles. They are, at least for me, superior both for plinking fun, and for hunting. Nothing works it's way through the cramped and tangled forest better than these little carbines. They get dirty, or soaked with rain, they still function, and once back to camp, I stand em on the nose to dry out, and I'm ready to go after a coffee.
This allows the shooter to stay on target for a protracted period of time, without the fatigue associated with a traditional rifle platform. It also provides a full length barrel for higher velocities, and more impact energy, in a package that is typically smaller than a M4 carbine.
In the late 80's I purchased my first non-restricted AR-15 instead of a Steyr Aug (to save a few hundred bucks), and always regretted that decision. I've since sold all my AR's, and have revamped the collection with several non-restricted bullpup rifles. They are, at least for me, superior both for plinking fun, and for hunting. Nothing works it's way through the cramped and tangled forest better than these little carbines. They get dirty, or soaked with rain, they still function, and once back to camp, I stand em on the nose to dry out, and I'm ready to go after a coffee.
RememberTheSomme
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Storm your avatar gives me an insight into your taste in firearms!
Just kidding.
Seriously though, I just can't bring myself to like the look of these firearms or see the war winning advantages for service personnel in the field.
Maybe theres some current or former serviceman who could enlighten me by actually having field tested the British puppy against our C7.
Just kidding.
Seriously though, I just can't bring myself to like the look of these firearms or see the war winning advantages for service personnel in the field.
Maybe theres some current or former serviceman who could enlighten me by actually having field tested the British puppy against our C7.
RememberTheSomme
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Again thanks Stormtrooper, for the experienced and well thought out opinion on the Bullpup versus conventional. I looked at the AUG in the mid 80s as well but ended up with an SLR instead. Our firearms ownership history seems to span the same period.
Again thanks Stormtrooper, for the experienced and well thought out opinion on the Bullpup versus conventional. I looked at the AUG in the mid 80s as well but ended up with an SLR instead. Our firearms ownership history seems to span the same period.
No thank you... much better than the typical conversations I have when I speak to the evolution of the carbine. My first "black" rifles were and AR-15, and a CAR-15. I had to have a flash hider brazed onto the barrel to make it non-restricted, which was ok by me as it balanced well with the 30 round magazines! Of course this was all bought with my $10 FAC. Ahh the better old days...
All that said, I'm very happy with the innovations that are being presented to us as firearms enthusiasts. The RFB, may not be a pretty thing to look at (beauty being in the eye of the beholder), but it's doing soo many things right. It's a very clean, no nonsense design. Incredibly compact for a long barreled rifle, completely ambidextrous, and packs the hard hitting punch of the 308. I feel it's a great addition to some already stellar firearms that have found their way to Canada lately. Guns like the RFB, and other similar platforms have rejuvenated my interest in long guns. I used to sum up Canadian gun laws as "... if it's fun, and has to do with guns - it's probably illegal." Now my opinion has changed. We're going hunting in Nova Scotia this fall, and the RFB will be the gun I'll be packing for the trip. I would use a Tavor were it not for the caliber restrictions the the Nova Scotia MNR has imposed.
And besides, the blaze orange really highlights the black plastic on the gun!
Nice FS2000!
RememberTheSomme
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Nice pics. I hunt Deer in Nova Scotia. I may see you around come this OCT/NOV. The rifles look more casual with that 10km cloth, than I could ever imagine.
