unless you are in the military the tavor is even more so of a range toy. The RFB is a 308, large enough caliber to legally take any big game in our country.
It all depends on what you want the rifle to be capable of doing.
Keltec RFB or Tavor
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It all depends on what you want the rifle to be capable of doing.
Ardent
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Tell me, where, and for what do / would you use your Tavor?
To be honest I would love a Tavor, but the .223 round for me isn't a viable option. Sure its cheap to shoot and a great option for plinking but its not much of a hunting round.
I'm really thinking about a RFB myself, it has decent reviews but there does seem to be issues with its gas system being finicky and requiring different settings for each make/grain of round.
For a NR Bullpup that you can take hunting... The RFB is the only real option.
I'm really thinking about a RFB myself, it has decent reviews but there does seem to be issues with its gas system being finicky and requiring different settings for each make/grain of round.
For a NR Bullpup that you can take hunting... The RFB is the only real option.
lol. Not this again. It doesn't matter that we will never use our rifles in combat. I think when people say its battle proven or it passed military testing, that it speaks to the quality of the rifle. A soldier will fire way more rounds through their service rifle than we ever will through our semi auto variants. So that tells me that my rifle will probably last my lifetime and take any abuse that I give it. And at that it'll likely still be in perfect working order for when I hand it down to my kids. (providing we still have that freedom). I would love to see the condition of a RFB after it has 20,000+ rounds through it. And how many parts will have to be replaced to get it to that point.
It seems the only 1 up the RFB has is the caliber its chambered in, and maybe accuracy. That alone doesn't make it a better rifle in terms of quality, its just means that its chambered in a better caliber for hunting. Whoopti freaking doo, it's still a kel-tec novelty gun. It's cool only because it's a .308, non-restricted bullpup. If we ever see a Tavor in .308 I don't think the RFB will be as popular.
Very different guns, in very different calibers. I like them both. The RFB has a far better trigger, and has a simple and reliable adjustable gas valve, which the Tavor lacks, but the ergonomics of the Tavor are FAR better. Both my Tavor and RFB have run pretty much flawlessly. I haven't had any of the problems with the gas system of the RFB that others have mentioned. Both are about equally accurate, in my experience. The only thing I'm not keen on with the RFB is the fact that you can't easily check the chamber if you need to. Still weirds me out.
If you want a modern military-style, intermediate-caliber rifle, get the Tavor. If you want a fancy, high-tech big-bore hunting rifle, get an RFB.
If you want a modern military-style, intermediate-caliber rifle, get the Tavor. If you want a fancy, high-tech big-bore hunting rifle, get an RFB.
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I will say this, though - even with the positive experience I've had with my RFB, if they come out with a Tavor in .308, my RFB will be for sale on the EE.
...A .308 Tavor with adjustable gas would be even better
...A .308 Tavor with adjustable gas would be even better
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True, but I would say the same about the Tavor... and most other guns at that. 20000 rounds is a lot for most guns, and most would need a new barrel by that time and probably other parts as well.
So if the RFB is non-restricted, who selling it? What are the price range?
I actually found that not many of CGN sponsor sells Kel Tec products... Having hard time to find a SU-16F. Now I know the RFB, maybe I will stop my choice on this really cool non-restricted tacti-gun !!!
Evil_Dark
I actually found that not many of CGN sponsor sells Kel Tec products... Having hard time to find a SU-16F. Now I know the RFB, maybe I will stop my choice on this really cool non-restricted tacti-gun !!!
Evil_Dark
Ok, 20,000 is a stretch. But as I understand, a quality chrome lined barrel can last up to 15,000 rounds. I think the Tavor's simplistic design, and how overbuilt it is will get it to 15,000 with less issues/malfunctions and broken parts.
I didnt know but im looking at it from that point now
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Not the point, he slagged the RFB as a range toy, when it has far higher versatility to a Canadian. I presently don't own either and if I do buy one, it'll be a Tavor, as a range toy, I have enough .308's. To call the RFB a range toy though is laughable, mil or no mil.
The RFB feels better IMO
I dont own either but please allow me to share my thoughts on which i intend to buy when the time comes. personally i want to go with the RFB at first as thats been touted as having the best trigger of any bullpup rifle. the forward ejection where rounds just kinda drop out makes cleanup easier, and the accuracy on it is supposed to be pretty damn good. now that said, both being similarly priced and the fact that i only range shoot and don't hunt, the ammo cost alone makes me want to go with the Tavor. the only thing that sets me back up on the fence is the fact that Keltec supposedly has plans to make a .223 conversion kit for the RFB.
it will be a while before i purchase one of them, so it really comes down to whether or not keltec makes that conversion kit. if so thats what i'm buying, if not i'm going tavor.
it will be a while before i purchase one of them, so it really comes down to whether or not keltec makes that conversion kit. if so thats what i'm buying, if not i'm going tavor.
Owned and shot both.
Tavor is much lighter but I liked the RFB better I sold both because I didn't really like them. They both worked just fine the 5 round limit of the RFB is a pain in the rear were the Tavor can use a pistol magazine.
Tavor is much lighter but I liked the RFB better I sold both because I didn't really like them. They both worked just fine the 5 round limit of the RFB is a pain in the rear were the Tavor can use a pistol magazine.
Fair enough. And to clarify, I am not slamming the RFB. Just kel-tec in general. They do fill a certain gap in the market, but kel-tec isn't exactly known for their quality. If you read the OP's ambiguously vague question "witch has the better reviews". Most were led to believe he was asking whats better. I was strictly speaking in terms of build quality and longevity, I'm sure most can agree thats the Tavor.
I don't think the RFB is a range toy, It's awesome that it makes a good hunting rifle. It's a slap in the face to all those who say black rifles can't be used for hunting. And the fact that its non-restricted, by definition that excludes it from being a range toy. I've thought about getting one after playing my friends RFB, and it still might find its way into my safe one day. I just don't feel the price of kel-tec guns are worth the level of quality you get. Plus I have a hard time buying semi-autos that don't have the option of using a pistol mag.
It's a illusion.
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Very different Rifles .... Why not just one of each?
U make a point, my bday in 3 weeks so why not
I have both, keeping both of them. Tavor is for the range, RFB is for big game hunting,
Here are some advantages of RFB: nicer trigger, more accurate, smaller OAL, fully ambidextrous (not like a Tavor where you need to source a left hand bolt if you want to switch), adjustable gas system, and the coolest part is front ejection..
Advantages of Tavor: simpler construction, somewhat better ergonomics, slightly lighter weight, use of AR mags.
So you go figure.. Different rifles, made for different tasks, get them both, then sell the least favorite.. But I'm sure you'll keep both.
Here are some advantages of RFB: nicer trigger, more accurate, smaller OAL, fully ambidextrous (not like a Tavor where you need to source a left hand bolt if you want to switch), adjustable gas system, and the coolest part is front ejection..
Advantages of Tavor: simpler construction, somewhat better ergonomics, slightly lighter weight, use of AR mags.
So you go figure.. Different rifles, made for different tasks, get them both, then sell the least favorite.. But I'm sure you'll keep both.
I own an RFB, never had an issue that wasn't caused by starving it for gas. The gas system needs to be adjusted every time you switch ammo but who cares? How many different types of ammo does a guy use in one rifle? Once I find a handload or a factory load that works well in a rifle I stick to it. It's not like your going to be going out hunting and switching between three different types of ammo a day, and if you do then you only need to figure out at an earlier time how many clicks +/- it needs for each load just like you will need to adjust your scope when you switch ammo. It really isn't the big deal everyone makes of it. Once you understand the gas system it only takes a couple shots to get it set close enough to function reliably.
As for milspec, well if you do a little research the KelTec is built from some pretty high end metals and while everyone seems to like to bash it as a "plastic" rifle they obviously haven't taken one apart since everything that needs strength is steel.
Battle proven? I know the Tavor is in service with a few military groups which does say something for it but what battles has it actually been in?
Madmardigan, As for your comments about lifespan, 15000 is about half of what a good quality chrome lined barrel should get but there is a lot more than just barrel life to consider and since most rifles in military service aren't going to go their lifetime without maintenance and refitting from the unit armorer it really doesn't make much difference in the big picture comparing those rifles to what we own. Like you said though, most of us won't put nearly that many rounds through a rifle. Just look at the EE for proof of that as almost every rifle for sale claim to have only 50-100 rounds through it.
I'm in no way bashing the Tavor as unfortunately I've never had the chance to fire one and everything I've read and heard about them leads me to believe they are high quality and I'm looking forward to trying one.
I'm just a little tired of all the KelTec bashing as I own an RFB, KSG and sub2000 and have had zero issues with any of them and while they may not be for everyone they are good firearms that work. The constant bashing because of the plastic makes no sense either since almost every rifle and pistol out there these days has a good percentage of "polymer" and all it does is keep weight and price down so to me it's a good thing.
To the OP, the two rifles are completely different other than they are both bullpups so you need to decide if you want 308 or 223 and after that there aren't many options.
As for milspec, well if you do a little research the KelTec is built from some pretty high end metals and while everyone seems to like to bash it as a "plastic" rifle they obviously haven't taken one apart since everything that needs strength is steel.
Battle proven? I know the Tavor is in service with a few military groups which does say something for it but what battles has it actually been in?
Madmardigan, As for your comments about lifespan, 15000 is about half of what a good quality chrome lined barrel should get but there is a lot more than just barrel life to consider and since most rifles in military service aren't going to go their lifetime without maintenance and refitting from the unit armorer it really doesn't make much difference in the big picture comparing those rifles to what we own. Like you said though, most of us won't put nearly that many rounds through a rifle. Just look at the EE for proof of that as almost every rifle for sale claim to have only 50-100 rounds through it
. I'm in no way bashing the Tavor as unfortunately I've never had the chance to fire one and everything I've read and heard about them leads me to believe they are high quality and I'm looking forward to trying one.
I'm just a little tired of all the KelTec bashing as I own an RFB, KSG and sub2000 and have had zero issues with any of them and while they may not be for everyone they are good firearms that work. The constant bashing because of the plastic makes no sense either since almost every rifle and pistol out there these days has a good percentage of "polymer" and all it does is keep weight and price down so to me it's a good thing.
To the OP, the two rifles are completely different other than they are both bullpups so you need to decide if you want 308 or 223 and after that there aren't many options.
