Kid friendly Prs rifle?
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Mystic Precision
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Safety is engaged before any movement... shooters calls out "SAFE" after engaging safety and before any movement.. Failure to do either is a stage DQ.
Once rifle is repositioned and sights are on target, the safety can be removed. Here the RO would need to monitor that the shooter isn't disengaging the safety before it is proper to do so... no different then closing the bolt on a bolt rifle before being proper to do so.
if there is an AD when the safety is disengaged on a semi (any rifle really), that would be a DQ... likely leading to an inspection to decide if safe for any further useage.
Jerry
PS... the rules are about safe handling of the firearm. I do not think there is a penalty specific to what is generally called sky loading (would be very pleased if there are rules now in place)... now I hope that ROs and other shooters identify this and help it be stopped BUT I see enough of this done to be concerned. Given the 'slowness' of bolt operation, some shooters want that rd loaded asap... even when they are not ready to launch it.
Once rifle is repositioned and sights are on target, the safety can be removed. Here the RO would need to monitor that the shooter isn't disengaging the safety before it is proper to do so... no different then closing the bolt on a bolt rifle before being proper to do so.
if there is an AD when the safety is disengaged on a semi (any rifle really), that would be a DQ... likely leading to an inspection to decide if safe for any further useage.
Jerry
PS... the rules are about safe handling of the firearm. I do not think there is a penalty specific to what is generally called sky loading (would be very pleased if there are rules now in place)... now I hope that ROs and other shooters identify this and help it be stopped BUT I see enough of this done to be concerned. Given the 'slowness' of bolt operation, some shooters want that rd loaded asap... even when they are not ready to launch it.
Don’t know if the program is still running but Precision Rifle Series PRS Kidz Clinics used 10/22s and Savage A22s to introduce new young shooters to PRS. Program ran in a few southern states.
My nephew was very young when he started shooting 3 gun with me. When he started he was to small to participate in a shotgun portions of the stages but could safely operate a .22 AR and 9mm pistol. He was safe because he had adequate training, supervision and mentoring from myself and several other club members and range staff.
Putting a 10/22 on safe, verbalizing it and transitioning with the finger outside the trigger guard should be no problem if this is taught and enforced.
My nephew was very young when he started shooting 3 gun with me. When he started he was to small to participate in a shotgun portions of the stages but could safely operate a .22 AR and 9mm pistol. He was safe because he had adequate training, supervision and mentoring from myself and several other club members and range staff.
Putting a 10/22 on safe, verbalizing it and transitioning with the finger outside the trigger guard should be no problem if this is taught and enforced.
Mystic Precision
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Maybe not such a dumb idea.... 
Jerry
Jerry
As stated previously, young shooters should be supervised through the entire stage for proper gun handling and for them to be comfortable. A young shooter thats comfortable will concentrate on the fundamentals and gun safety as theyve been taught. Nervous people are much more inclined to make mistakes. Struggling with a firearm thats too heavy or awkward will lead too frustration, in turn leading too mistakes. Dont really think the action types the important factor but gun fit and suiting the shooters stature much more the defining important factor. Of all the shoots ive participated in , the only mishaps were with bolt action rifles.
Semi auto or bolt, if I get flagged I would prefer that the action is open and chamber empty. I’m not sure why the semis get a pass on these important safety measures. You can probably guess why I feel this way! Rules and procedures are great until something happens. Bolt open and back is safe!
The 10/22 is a useful platform even for adult rimfire precision shooters, so no reason to expect to outgrow it. And if you're doing a lot of rimfire PRS, mastering both platforms (bolt & semi) is good (and you may learn which to bring depending on who's running the match!).
"Graduating" to centrefire precision is optional, and may make less sense if you don't have access to a range that lets you post targets way far away. But in that case there comes sense in having different caliber flavours of the same basic platform so that shooting any one of them is training for the other.
As for safety, I don't care what action you have, ALWAYS keep the muzzle down and forward while there's ammunition touching the firearm and expect to get your chain yanked hard if you have an AD.
"Graduating" to centrefire precision is optional, and may make less sense if you don't have access to a range that lets you post targets way far away. But in that case there comes sense in having different caliber flavours of the same basic platform so that shooting any one of them is training for the other.
As for safety, I don't care what action you have, ALWAYS keep the muzzle down and forward while there's ammunition touching the firearm and expect to get your chain yanked hard if you have an AD.
@joehunt
That's how you feel, but you're not right.
As an ipsc competitor with a few hundred thousand rounds and national championship wins, I can tell you, safety is a habit not a condition.
A semi can't realistically lock the bolt back and still compete with the possible 50% ammo loss.
That's how you feel, but you're not right.
As an ipsc competitor with a few hundred thousand rounds and national championship wins, I can tell you, safety is a habit not a condition.
A semi can't realistically lock the bolt back and still compete with the possible 50% ammo loss.
Mystic Precision
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How the heck could you ever get flagged during a stage? At the very least, someone has broken the 120 rule and that is a DQ no matter the rifle.
If you are getting flagged while shooters are NOT on the stage, maybe give that shooter a nice chat about safe gun handling. At worst, the actions of either style would be open with a chamber flag in place.... but that barrel should always be in a safe direction while moving to and fro... regardless of the condition of the action.
This is a very important concern... but hopefully, how a stage is set up and executed (with proper gun handling) makes this a moot issue. Safe gun handling should happen at all times with any platform.
Jerry
The shooter definitely broke the 120 rule. I’m just saying in the event that someone breaks a rule and flags someone I would rather the bolt be open and back then just a safety on.
I have never shot ipsc but my understanding is you have a range officer following you while shooting and no one is even close to your sides.
I have never shot ipsc but my understanding is you have a range officer following you while shooting and no one is even close to your sides.
Mystic Precision
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DANG... that is not something you want pointing at you (or anyone).... EVER! Hopefully, a 1 of... if not, maybe we need to start putting in an 'escort' to make sure shooters don't go 'stage stupid'... or maybe shooter safety/handling course need to be implemented.
Sorry, that had to happen to you.
Jerry
There is definitely someone close to your side. One or two of the ro's, definitely inexperienced ones.
Inexperienced range offices will get ran over.
there can be spectators at your 95-100degree, no different than any standard prs match.
The ipsc rulebook has many many ways to disqualify someone.
Enough that if safety is a forethought, you'll have donated your match fee real quick.
Yes I hope it was just a one off.
Shooters are close to you. No different than a prs match. Depends on the stage layout.
It all comes down to safety being a habit.
Ipsc ontario has a robust system for officials and safety infractions (dq's) that it's rare to dq someone.
As a match director I dq maybe 3ppl a year out of approx 500.
Usually finger in the triggerwell while reloading or running.
Breaking 90 much more rare.
In my time i've definitely been flagged by a few with no safety.
Those shooters either took a break/retook a training course or weren't allowed to shoot in the organization.
The system creates robust habits.
Which brings me back to, teaching that safety is a habit, not a condition.
Finger off the trigger, muzzle always in a safe direction,
then teaching the rules. I.e. specific conditions, muzzle safe directions, voice prompts when engaging safety etc.
It all comes down to safety being a habit.
Ipsc ontario has a robust system for officials and safety infractions (dq's) that it's rare to dq someone.
As a match director I dq maybe 3ppl a year out of approx 500.
Usually finger in the triggerwell while reloading or running.
Breaking 90 much more rare.
In my time i've definitely been flagged by a few with no safety.
Those shooters either took a break/retook a training course or weren't allowed to shoot in the organization.
The system creates robust habits.
Which brings me back to, teaching that safety is a habit, not a condition.
Finger off the trigger, muzzle always in a safe direction,
then teaching the rules. I.e. specific conditions, muzzle safe directions, voice prompts when engaging safety etc.
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
There should be no 'HOPE' involved... every effort must be made to ensure it doesn't/can't happen.
It all can have an affect to allow a bad outcome to occur... so match directors and competitors have to make a conscience and deliberate effort to monitor and stop 'stupid' from creeping into this game.
There have been some really dangerous practises in stage design and how it was shot.... I spoke up several times calling attention to MD and RO's. It is everyones responsibility to call out bad or risky things.
And any one beaking off about 'don't worry about it'... can just pack up and leave.... even if they ARE the MD.
We don't need a preventable accident....
Jerry
I second this . some others have suggested a 10-22 . they are an excellent rifle but for a 7 year old that is too much happening at once. and to instill firearm safety nothing is easier to teach this then a bolt-action rifle . because they can remove the mag and open the bolt. with a semi you have to look much more carefully . I always teach safety first .
