Kimber 84M opinions

Well back from the range and as promised 3 different groups one 4 shot group and two 3 shot groups all taken at 125 meters with a 338 federal 84M select grade.

1)180gr Nosler AB factory(4shot group)


2)185 TSX factory


3) 225gr MRX handloads

 
Well back from the range and as promised 3 different groups one 4 shot group and two 3 shot groups all taken at 125 meters with a 338 federal 84M select grade.

1)180gr Nosler AB factory(4shot group)


2)185 TSX factory


3) 225gr MRX handloads



Nothing wrong with that! The plot thickens....

Patrick
 
Patrick


I guess it comes down to this as with any mass produced rifle you can buy now a days there's always gonna be the odd one that is a lemon let it be Kimber Weatherby Remington, Browning, Savage, ect ect. And as for the internet you'll rarely ever read a positive write up on a product just the negitive ones!

Best of luck in your decision:)
 
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Beautiful indeed, but I can't justify a pretty rifle that can't shoot. My biggest concern is accuracy as its the hardest problem to remedy.

Instead of singing the usual praises and posting pics of my 84's like I most often do in these many Kimber threads that pop-up, I'm going to say just move along. Thumpers pics should be all it takes, but if after handling the Kimber it doesn't tug at your very soul and beg you to take it home I would say look to a WBY backcountry or Tikka T-3, very little chance of problems, millions out there, pretty light too.
I can fully understand your fear of being stuck with a roach, but realize also that Kimber has a warranty centre here in Canada {Korth group I believe} and any new Kimber is covered. Steer clear of used low serial numbered Montanas or classics in 7-08 unless you are prepared for some possible tinkering.
I've had four now with one earlier production Montana in 7-08 that would consistently misfire. The rifle went to a well respected gunsmith here in BC who couldn't fix the problem. I sold it on the EE with full disclosure and IIRC the member I sold it to had it up and running pretty quick.
Of my other two 84M's, one required some slight polishing of the left feed rail, the other was good to go out of the box and the 8400 Montana in .300WSM I had at one time was flawless.

As to your concerns with accuracy, I'll offer some insight that may help.
It is bandied about on here often, but it needs to be said again that a sub 6lb rifle all-up like the 84M require serious discipline to shoot tight off of bags,no joke. Around MOA is the norm for mine with a tailored handload. Expect load development to take a bit more time.
If I so much as drink a large Tims an hour before load development on a 5 1/2 lb rifle I may as well head home for the day.
There is a huge difference in shooting a 7-8lb lightweight compared to a rifle that comes in under 6lbs.

Like many others on this forum I have had lots of ultralight rifles go through my hands both custom and factory including an RMR {Corlanes}. I am expecting my NULA model 20 to arrive before the end of July and am quite excited about it, but I find myself always coming back to the 84M. That little rifle takes the best features of the some of the greatest bolt action rifles of the twentieth century, adds in my opinion the finest factory trigger ever offered on a production rifle and plops it in an amazing stock.
Everybody and their dog builds an ultralight offering using a rem 700 action or clone in a Micky edge, it's very practical for most. Not many can bring a CRF to the table that comes close to an 84M, even Model 70's on a diet that includes heavy machining.

Who would have ever thought an Israeli would end-up designing the action for the ultimate North American factory produced mountain rifle!!
 
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Sun and steel, that about sums it up. I have had first hand experience with four Kimber Montana's now and all have shot well with no "real" issues to speak of.

All three of these are MOA shooters or better if I don't drink too much coffee. The 84M in .257 Bob being one of the most accurate rifles in my safe right now at the current time. The 84L Montana is now one of my top favorites of production hunting rifles and I have owned a big pile of rifles over the years.

 
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Sun and steel, that about sums it up. I have had first hand experience with four Kimber Montana's now and all have shot well with no "real" issues to speak of.

All three of these are MOA shooters or better if I don't drink too much coffee. The 84M in .257 Bob being one of the most accurate rifles in my safe right now at the current time. The 84L Montana is now one of my top favorites of production hunting rifles and I have owned a big pile of rifles over the years.


Nice looking family you have their Davey, looks like you prefer steel rings/bases over Talleys?
I often entertain the thought of an 84L in .270, but in all honesty I have yet to handle or shoot either an 84L or the new Ascent.
How do you find the balance with the 24" barrel? is it as spot on as the 84M?
 
Nice looking family you have their Davey, looks like you prefer steel rings/bases over Talleys?
I often entertain the thought of an 84L in .270, but in all honesty I have yet to handle or shoot either an 84L or the new Ascent.
How do you find the balance with the 24" barrel? is it as spot on as the 84M?

Yes sir, had a LW Talley fail on me for no real reason so I no longer use them(the lightweights anyways). Now all my rifles get S&K, Leupold DD's or Talley steel spit rings. If you want more details PM me and I will send you more info, just don't want to get into it here as LW Talley users can be a sensitive bunch.;)

I personally think the 84L balances better than the 84M and it is certainly better than the 8400. IMO Kimber got it right with the 84L! Stick one next to a 8400 and the differences in stock design are night and day. I never much liked the 8400's though...
 
Is there really a better do everything, but don't overdo anything work gun than a Montana??

To the people saying 1.5" at 100 yards is a "problem". I wonder if they've taken that 1.5 MOA in any particular rifle out to their practical hunting ranges (or just plinking out far) to see where 1.5 MOA at 100 really puts you at 300, 400, 500 etc. I have, and I wouldn't have a problem settling on a 1.5 MOA load if I had to.
 
My 84m Select in 308 was picky at first which was frustrating, as I've owned $350 savages that shot anything well. That being said I found what it likes and it shoots well.

Keep in mind it is an ultralight rifle with a light contour barrel, NOT a bench gun. Any operator error will be seen, and you can't expect to rapid fire great groups out of it.

Points like a wand and is a pleasure to hunt with, I'd buy another.

*Also $350 savages have #### ergonomics, bolts, triggers etc.. I am in no way comparing the two. My 84M didn't like 3 different Norma 180gr loads, or a Hornady 165 superperformance. Shoots great with 150gr Hornady GMX & Federal high energy 180gr Nosler Partitions, though I stick with the 150 gmx for deer hunting.
 
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Is there really a better do everything, but don't overdo anything work gun than a Montana??

To the people saying 1.5" at 100 yards is a "problem". I wonder if they've taken that 1.5 MOA in any particular rifle out to their practical hunting ranges (or just plinking out far) to see where 1.5 MOA at 100 really puts you at 300, 400, 500 etc. I have, and I wouldn't have a problem settling on a 1.5 MOA load if I had to.

1.5 MOA is plenty accurate for a hunting rifle in my opinion. Generally if I get one of my hunting rifles shooting 1.5 MOA, I'm happy with that.
 
I agree as well. While my Kimbers (one at present, one former) do better, folks get so focused on MOA, sub MOA, etc they lose sight of the forest for the trees. Kimbers are lovely, trim, light, quality guns. You really have to hold one. Even though they'll often shoot as well as any hunting rifle, even if they put a "2 MOA Guarantee" tag on them I'd buy with zero hesitation. The rifles are more accurate than the situations we fire them from as a general rule in hunting. It all gets pretty silly.
 
Three out of four of my Kimbers ended up with a little Devcon forend pad and a smidge of upward pressure. It seems to calm down those paper-thin barrels, and only takes a few minutes. Comes out just as fast too.
 
I just acquired a montana 84L in 270, well kinda...it's an 84L classic that has been put into a montana stock...same thing except blued. I absolutely love it! I have had no problems with feeding, the bolt is smooth and reliable. With cheap federal blue box ammo I've been getting 1.5" groups, Can't wait to work up a handload for it. The balance of the gun is fantastic and it points great. You won't find a nicer trigger on a factory gun. I'll be looking to get another kimber for sure
 
Feeding, extraction, and ejection on my replacement rifle has been flawless. Bolt travel is smooth and non-binding. The trigger is one of the best factory ones I've used. Other than the slightly rough chamber I have no complaints with it.

I would definitely buy another Kimber but would really prefer to inspect it in person before paying. I know my issue is fairly uncommon but not unheard of either. Maybe the more recent ones are put through a more thorough QC?

two years ago I will have tell you if was common where I worked and we didn't kept three kimbers on four due to your same problem. Warranty issue to was not easy to deal with either. maybe today is a different story.

same problem with talkeetna and caprivi but it was only on two of them.

one guy bought a classic select wood in 338 win mag and it was a beauty and a shooter.

the only problem I see is no left hand action up to now ...
 
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