King Optics

Clearly a case where the participation of a company representative in an online discussion has done more harm than good to their reputation.

Here's a tip, if your going to play here, you need to have an honest product and the chops to answer our questions. And you have to stick around until the thread dies, preferably with you having the last word.
 
I have opted to stop wasting my time and energy on negative comments about products that people have no experience with, it only promotes ignorance. Anyone with an ounce of education wouldn't make a decision on buying a scope based on a comment that someone doesn't like their commercials, or the manufacturers website isn't in their favorite color, etc etc. If you want specs, go to the manufacturers website and learn something!

Some users on this forum are obviously leupold dealers and or paid sponsor posters. I mention a new product(that I own and use by the way) and get accused of being a dealer while other users freely promote similar products without reprecusion.

I fail to see how this thread with all it's ignorance & biased comments can bring any insight to anyone, I thought a forum was a place to discuss new product innovation and technology, not to deliberately s^*tface products. So, this will be my last word to attempt to share with some people who genuinely might be interested in new innovative products.

Here's an idea for a new thread that the wolves can play with for about a second: Who can guesstimate how many forum posters here are leupold or other scope manufacturer dealers or paid reps.

Scopehunter
 
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I fail to see how this thread with all it's ignorance & biased comments can bring any insight to anyone, I thought a forum was a place to discuss new product innovation and technology, not to deliberately s^*tface products. So, this will be my last word to attempt to share with some people who genuinely might be interested in new innovative products.

That's true. But there is no discussion when one side doesn't answer any questions.
 
I thought a forum was a place to discuss new product innovation and technology, not to deliberately s^*tface products. So, this will be my last word to attempt to share with some people who genuinely might be interested in new innovative products.

So. What is this new technology then? What makes it better? You expect people to drop over a $1000 on a scope that nobody's heard of, but don't tell us what's better.

If you want people to try them out, there needs to be a reason to leave the tried & true stuff at the store and walk out with a new, unproven product. Maybe to some guys $1000-$1500 is pocket change, but to most that is a HUGE buy and I for one would be uneasy throwing money into the unknown, without a lot of questions answered...

Just sayin'.
 
I have opted to stop wasting my time and energy on negative comments about products that people have no experience with, it only promotes ignorance. Anyone with an ounce of education wouldn't make a decision on buying a scope based on a comment that someone doesn't like their commercials, or the manufacturers website isn't in their favorite color, etc etc. If you want specs, go to the manufacturers website and learn something!

Some users on this forum are obviously leupold dealers and or paid sponsor posters. I mention a new product(that I own and use by the way) and get accused of being a dealer while other users freely promote similar products without reprecusion.

I fail to see how this thread with all it's ignorance & biased comments can bring any insight to anyone, I thought a forum was a place to discuss new product innovation and technology, not to deliberately s^*tface products. So, this will be my last word to attempt to share with some people who genuinely might be interested in new innovative products.

Here's an idea for a new thread that the wolves can play with for about a second: Who can guesstimate how many forum posters here are leupold or other scope manufacturer dealers or paid reps.

Scopehunter


Scopehunter,

Some of the guys here could be a little less hostile. If you really want to earn respect, simply answer the direct questions. With respect to the 10mm thing, if you misspoke, much easier to admit that and then the issue is solved.

If you want to establish bonafides for your products within this community, I strongly suggest you become a supporting dealer. Do some CGN promotion sales/draws to get your product into hunter/shooter hands.

Maybe put names in a hat and draw for a couple of free scopes, with the caveat that the winners publish fair and balanced reviews of the product.

There are several posters here who have said that you guys stand behind your product and replaced faulty scopes for them. That is a starting base that you can definitely build on.

You and the owners should definitely take some time and think about this. I know a lot of fellow shooters who no longer subscribe to Access to Firearms, but check in on CGN multiple times a day.
 
If they send me a dangerous game series I will put it through its paces and post back. I will mount it on my 416 Rigby and take it to the range and hunt all fall with it. I can write a full report next December after I put about 3-400 rounds through it. Should give some idea what they are about.
 
This is pretty much the same garbage that happened over on AO. The new guy showed up, answered no direct questions, and accused every person that didn't agree with him of being a Leupold rep or dealer. Well Leupold sue has to pay a lot of people off now don't they?:rolleyes:
The King Optics are in the price range of VXIII to Swarovski AH and they have nothing on their site (except some bad grammar, and cheesy industry terms) that could be considered educational specifics. What the heck does weight, length, magnification, and "etched glass reticle" do to help teach my "uneducated" arse about the quality of their product?
They seem all hung up on doohickeys, and fluting and stuff. It's like sticking a flamethrower on top of a Hyundai and trying to sell it for $50,000 beside a lot full of BMW's cause "it can BBQ!"
If they want to sell scopes they need to get aggressive. The market has good solid players that are eating up the share. You need to come in fast, and start throwing solid elbow to take up some of that room, and you don't do it like they are.
I smell BANKRUPT.
 
I am in fact a Leupold dealer (one of the largest in Canada) but no one pays me to say good things about their product or bad mouth the competition. We also carry most of the other brand name optics products available in Canada. I am always reluctant to bring in a new optics line until there is some unbiased feedback and customer request for the product. To date, no one has asked me for pricing or availibility on King Optics. We have been sent a few brochures and price lists over the last couple of years but that is the full effort at contact from the distributor. To be honest the prices seem high and considering the lack of interest and history of the product I will not consider carrying this product unless that changes. Good luck to anyone in the business but I think there is something lacking in the marketing of this product for it to be attractive to me and more importanty...my customers who are the end user. Phil.
 
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I would like to add one comment, although I would not ever be likely to by a $1000.00 scope as I have no use for one. I look at all products that are offered and of possible interest regardless of point of manufacture. I was intrigued by a scope built in Canada that was supposed be quite good.

I stopped being intrigued when I saw a web site that an average junior hi school student who did not give a damm could have built. I do better work in an afternoon than was done at their location. That pretty much ended my looking at the product and it potential, if the so little care is taken with basic marketing how can I believe there will be any quality control of the product.

And like most of us at even at $500.00 that is a lot of money to drop on a doubtful product. That may have to be returned several times to get a good one.

I may be being uncharitable, but as a company they need to grow up and get serious. So far it looks like 2 kids in the basement are doing the marketing and failing miserably.
 
My theory

I think that the fluting will be useful on VERY overbore rifles to allow you to shoot more rounds before letting the barrel cool. When the barrel heats it will transfer heat to the receiver then the bases up to the scope, which will then dissipate the heat better through the fluting!
I'm just guessing though, as fluting (with my limited knowledge) is used for two purposes: Heat dissipation and weight reduction.
Before you get all prissy about my response...I was just kidding! I don't think that the weight reduction will do more than 1-2 ounces and heat reduction through a scope is about as useful as a Two wheel drive motor cycle (now I may have something there)!
 
Realistically, I don't think there is a shooter on here that wouldn't like to see a quality scope manufactured in Canada. Heck, I would love to be able to spend my CDN on CDN made stuff. But everything, every discussion, every time someone comes out of the wood work to defend, or discuss this product they do it in the same disfunctional manner. On top of it all, I don't think this product is what it claims to be.
Have I seen one? No. Why? Because no one carries the dang things cause they market them like juveniles. Seriously, if you think your product is worth it KOC, then get them out there. Gun Shows, WSS, Alberta Outdoorsmen, Canada Outdoors, freakin' some thing.
As far as I am concerned, your done, maybe within the year. Your price point is too high for a product with a new name on it that isn't being seen.
Until then I'll buy Leupold, I'll buy Burris, and I'll buy the Baush&Lomb Bushnells.
Good luck.
 
The scopes are $1400 because they have a huge testing facility of guys sitting at tables dropping them on the floor lol
They also have the great marketing team to make the commercials and the great website. lol
 
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I don't see this "guaranteed" return policy anywhere... I'm almost curious enough to buy one to have a look... but if I don't see glass deseriving of a 1400 price tag back it would go.
 
Hell I thought this thread was dead. Thanks to all on the good insight on these scopes.
I will not be buying one of these scopes, to much smoke and mirrors.
 
Realistically, I don't think there is a shooter on here that wouldn't like to see a quality scope manufactured in Canada.... etc.

I think your post pretty well hit the nail on the head. And being Canadian, I think some of us (perhaps myself included) are sometimes leery about a "Canadian-made product"- can it really be any good? (Whereas, across the border, "100% Made in America" gets them all teary-eyed and rallying 'round the flag.)

As to being of Chinese origin, sadly this is hard to avoid these days, but Scopehunter has stated that "the optics are of European origin", so perhaps they are not Chinese! In any case, we should not assume otherwise unless we actually have ironclad proof. Japanese optics and products generally were considered crap when they first came out, but no one sneers at them now. I suspect the same will be true for Chinese products. I'm leery of Chinese stuff, too - I juist couldn't buy a Norinco 1911, despite all sorts of people saying they are OK, including Gunnar at Armco - but I think many of these imported products are crap partly because N. American companies see better profit margins buying cheap products from cheap suppliers, rather than demanding good quality. (I would guess NC Star, Leapers, etc. fall into this category. However, many of the "high-end" tactical lights are from Asia and are giving Surefire etc. a run for their money.)

Scopehunter- if you're still brave enough to read this thread, although you've been given a pretty rough ride, I think that, vitriol aside, there have been a few valid points made. (And the weird fluted tube question still hasn't been answered. The big boys in whose league you seem to want to play don't flute their tubes, so it does come across as just a marketing gimmick.)

a) The website is pretty cheesy. (Mind you, so is Ellwood Epps' but Epps has been around for decades and has a known reputation.) You really need to get a professional web designer to re-do it. It's the first thing a viewer sees and if it looks cheap, it'll be uphill from there- no matter how good the product may be.

b) Blatantly announcing that your product is "THE BEST SCOPE MADE" on a new and completely unknown product cannot help but result in being given a good barracking. As good as Swarovski, Zeiss, Kahles, Schmidt & Bender, Leupold, whose reputations have been forged over decades in every field, valley and veldt on earth? Who is going to believe that, coming from a company no one has heard of? Heck, I recall seeing sceptical comments about the Bushnell 6500 line, ostensibly introduced to take that venerable name into the ranks of optical Valhalla. And King Optics isn't (even) Bushnell.

c) If King Optics has priced their product at the high end to "justify" a comparison with the big boys, rather than making a decent return on investment, I suspect you're shooting yourselves in the foot, as it were. As many have stated, if they are going to risk "Zeiss bucks" on a scope, they will buy a Zeiss or similar, rather than on an unknown product. Better to be more modest with your claims, price the product lower, then get the product in the hands of people whose unbiased opinions can independently help spread the word. Unfortunately here in Canada we don't have high-profile writers like Boddington, Barsness or Shoemaker to review them (and our Jim Shockey has already been snagged by Leupold, I believe) but without getting respected industry feedback, you're unlikely to be taken seriously, no matter what you say on the website- you'll just sound like a used car salesman in a loud jacket. What sceptical hunters need is not advertising hype but reviews by people they know. Maybe then P&D and other respected retailers will show some interest.

You folks may very well have a really good product, and I hope you do, but it seems to me your marketing is doing you more harm than good.

:) Stuart

ps- Look at the good comments on the Falcon Optics. Apparently a "small company who could." Not claiming to be the best and not made in Canada, but a relatively unknown line that seems to be well made and well received. Mid-range products are easier to sell, of course, but they must be doing something right.
 
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There are only 2 guys, and they look very much like the 2 guys sitting around dropping the scope on the floor on T.V., not like the very believable Huskimaw-Gunwerks-Berger 1500 yd., 1 shot kills t.v. slot.
 
i say you send ben hunchak a king optics scope. if anyone has some heavy recoil weapons to put it though the paces it would be him. and i'm pretty sure people would trust him to tell us if they work or not..

what have you got to loose.. if these scopes are the next big name then you secure yourself alot of potential customers do you not?
 
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