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KMG Canada said:
Patrick, an argument that has been debated many times over:) SCI lists them as a separate species. Rowland Ward does not. DNA testing does lead credibility to the theory that they are indeed separate sub-species, however I will concede that scientific classification only lists three:
1.) T. s. strepsiceros, southern parts of the range from southern Kenya to Namibia, Botswana and South Africa (under which Southern Greater and East Cape kudu rank)
2.) T. s. chora, northeastern Africa from northern Kenya through Ethiopia to eastern Sudan, western Somalia and Eritrea
3.) T. s. cottoni, Chad and western Sudan
We would both agree that there is a size difference (horn) between Limpopo and the EC and for hunters sake there definitely has to be a way of identifying the difference between the two, especially in managing expectations of what to expect when hunting certain regions.
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number 3 is also in CAR.
 
Yep KMG, there are significant color and size differences between the Eastern Cape kudu and the southern greater kudu. Genetics may dictate differently but they are quite different. This of course is likely just regional differences, the same as the Hangai argali and the Gobi Arrgali.........both are Ovis Ammon Darwini, however over the decades the Hangai have become much larger of horn and body to the Gobi, who has a tougher life. If I am not mistaken SCI has now separated the two strains of the same sheep in their record books. There is also some discussion of separating the Kyrgyzstani Marco Polo from the Tajik Marcos because of the staggering size disparity between the same supposed sheep from different regions of it's native range. Anyway those of us who hunt and get them mounted can see the significant differences and we class them as cape kudu and greater kudu, regardless of what their genetic make up says.
 
c-fbmi said:
Yep KMG, there are significant color and size differences between the Eastern Cape kudu and the southern greater kudu. Genetics may dictate differently but they are quite different. This of course is likely just regional differences, the same as the Hangai argali and the Gobi Arrgali.........both are Ovis Ammon Darwini, however over the decades the Hangai have become much larger of horn and body to the Gobi, who has a tougher life. If I am not mistaken SCI has now separated the two strains of the same sheep in their record books. There is also some discussion of separating the Kyrgyzstani Marco Polo from the Tajik Marcos because of the staggering size disparity between the same supposed sheep from different regions of it's native range. Anyway those of us who hunt and get them mounted can see the significant differences and we class them as cape kudu and greater kudu, regardless of what their genetic make up says.
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Completely agree, even if science doesn't classify them differently, as you state hunters must. SCI breaks down Kudu as such:

Abyssinian Greater Kudu
East African Greater Kudu
Eastern Cape Greater Kudu
Lesser Kudu
Southern Greater Kudu
Western Greater Kudu
 
KMG Canada said:
Completely agree, even if science doesn't classify them differently, as you state hunters must. SCI breaks down Kudu as such:

Abyssinian Greater Kudu
East African Greater Kudu
Eastern Cape Greater Kudu
Lesser Kudu
Southern Greater Kudu
Western Greater Kudu
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Rob,

do you think SCI will have the black Impala and Saddle back impala on the "sub species" in the future?
 
Patrick, That's an interesting one. I will come right out and state I am not a fan of a lot of the color variants going on right now. Even if they stopped it somehow, some of the variants are undoubtedly here to stay. Currently they (sci) list three: Black faced, East African and Southern. IMO I don't believe they will add the others as from what I understand the color has changed, but not the genetic makeup or size of the horn, but who knows what the future trophy definitions will encompass.

As an aside here is an impala taken by myself in the EC, Canada Customs took a good hard look at him in the crate before letting him in!

 
That's a heavy old ram...........very nice! I opted for some color phase animals while last in RSA.........

White Blesbok



White springbok



Black springbok

 
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c-fmbi, some very nice animals! My better half has informed me she wants to start on her springbok slam of a common, white, black and copper next year while we are over there.
 
KMG Canada said:
Ardent, I rep KMG here in North America. I become the point of contact for folks on this side when planning a hunt in Africa. Africa can be a very tough place to invest in as you know or for that matter to even find a trusted hunting outfitter, so having someone on this side can make it much easier for lots of our hunters. I actually first went to hunt with KMG whilst on an Army tour in the DRC. Liked hunting so much with Marius at KMG that I went back again to hunt after my tour was over and I had redeployed. Marius and I became friends and the wives became friends as well. I started out after that by helping with the shows on this side and that naturally evolved into becoming their rep. We usually hunt together once a year in Africa, and get together for a little downtime on this side once the shows are done or meet down at DSC etc... At the end of the day it was pretty easy to get involved in the hunting industry as we were friends before I became associated with KMG. But first and foremost it has been really easy for me to rep them as I truly believe that we offer good hunts, good times and a little bit of adventure.

Ardent, without being to forward, are you the same Ardent in regards to Rhinocon?
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Not too forward at all and unfortunately yep, that was me (amongst others) that was taken. Something's clicking here... I know the name Marius too well, I need to place why and where. Thinking this world may be very small and if he does some of the same shows we've likely met.
 
Ardent, sorry to hear it was you, i hope he gets all that he has coming to him. I was following the story on another site where you posted it. Marius and I are on that one probably where the name connects for you. We do the Toronto and Hamburg NY shows as well as attend (no booth) at DSC, maybe we crossed paths somewhere along the way?
 
From the other site, it clicked definitely it. It is what it was, in the end it saved me money as I gave up on completing the big five, and focused on my operation here and family. Was rather addicted to African hunting and my tastes were growing rapidly, not trying to say hunting in Africa is at all undesirable the big hit simply refocused my priorities and brought about some introspection. Oddly enough it's turned out pretty well wouldn't be doing what I'm doing had I kept chasing the Five.
 
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