Know of any big caliber 495 fps airguns?

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I would be interested if anyone knows of anyone selling some larger caliber air guns in .25cal, 9mm/.38cal, .45cal and .50cal? These can be pistol or rifles, that only shoot 495fps.....this way we could use them much easier without need for an expensive range membership. Prices should be less than $500 cdn.

I think Crosman is now selling an "airbow" that shoots full size arrows at around 450fps...so does that mean that no PAL is required? Unfortunately they go for around $800/900usd....way too much in my opinion.

Any comments or suggestions?
 
You do realize that there is an energy cap along with the speed cap right? Shooting big and heavy at 495fps isn't legal. ( at least not without a pal/rpal. A pistol over the energy/speed limit would be restricted and must be registered, and limited to range use)
 
It isn't PAL rated unless it breaks BOTH 500 fps and 4.2fpe. Here is the exact wording from the RCMP website:

1. Air guns that are firearms for purposes of both the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code

These are air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 metres or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds). The "muzzle velocity" is the speed of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, normally expressed in metres per second or feet per second. The "muzzle energy" is the energy of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, expressed in joules or foot-pounds. Air guns need to meet both standards to be classified as firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act.

So firing a really light pellet over 500fps isn't going to PAL rated until over 4.2FPE, and you could even be shooting .50 cal lead at 499 fps and not be considered a "firearm". Kind of ridiculous if you ask me, but it is what it is.

I have a 2240 converted to a 2250, then added a .25 cal repeater breech on it, and an 18" barrel. It now shoots light .25 cal pellets at under 500 fps, and heavier stuff at around 450 fps, putting out around 11 FPE. It doesn't qualify as PAL rated.
 
Not sure whete you found that on their website, as i found this definition;
that meet the Criminal Code definition of a firearm, but are deemed not to be firearms for certain purposes of the Firearms Act and Criminal Code. These are air guns with a maximum muzzle velocity of 152.4 metres or 500 feet per second and/or a maximum muzzle energy of 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds.

That is an and/or
 
I also believe its a 500fps or 5.7J cap so you need to exceed both to require license. My understanding is that Rcmp are more concerned with 500fps cap......anyone know any better? If so please elaborate.
Thx Dag
 
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/air_gun-arme_air-eng.htm

1. Air guns that are firearms for purposes of both the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code

These are air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 metres or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds). The "muzzle velocity" is the speed of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, normally expressed in metres per second or feet per second. The "muzzle energy" is the energy of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, expressed in joules or foot-pounds. Air guns need to meet both standards to be classified as firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act.
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Re-read what you posted. It says the same thing.
Max. 500 fps and max. 4.2 fpe no license required
Max. 500 fps or max. 4.2 fpe no license required

If you exceed both, license required.
 
Airgun law in Canada is unlike airgun law in the United Kingdom, where no Firearms Certificate (they call that an FAC) is needed for an air rifle that yields under 12 foot pounds of energy. To illustrate what that means, a typical .177 pellet that weighs 8.4 grains that has a muzzle velocity of 800 fps has 11.94 fpe, while a .22 pellet at 14.3 grains -- a typical Crosman .22 pellet -- at 600 fps has about 11.4 fpe (at 615 fps it would be over the 12 fpe threshold).

In Canada the threshold is 500 fps. There is an allowance made for ultralight pellets. These would exceed 500 fps in most air rifles and air pistols that would otherwise be under 500 fps. This is where the energy level of 5.7 Joules or 4.2 fpe limit in Canada comes into play i.e. a really light pellet may go over 500 fps and everything is still okay so long as its energy is no more than 5.7 J or 4.2 fpe.

Think of Canadian airgun law like this, as it was once simply explained to me: as long as the airgun, rifle or pistol, shoots under 500 fps it does not require a PAL, regardless of the mass of the projectile, even if it was a cannonball.
 
Thank everyone for making it clear that both 500fps and 5.7J must be exceeded.....to be a firearm.

Now for my original question....does anyone know of anyone selling a big caliber 500fps airgun in Canada? If so please send them my way as I'd be interested.

Thx Dag
 
Always found the one described in Sherlock Holmes very interesting. Shot 38 wadcutters if i recall.
Lewis and Clark had a big bore air gun on their expedition also.

I would love to find one in a 50 or 58 that operated at any fps.
 
Here is a custom built .30 carbine that runs at 490fps and is powered by twin 12g co2 cylinders. It's built on a 2240 frame and trigger group and uses a 7 shot modified Maurader magazine.

It started out life as a pistol but I was able to get this gorgeous stock from another custom builder. I call it "The Trans-Canada 30 cal Carbine" : the pistol came from the west coast and the stock from the east cost. And for an airgun, this dog has quite the bark!!

 
Yup, Joe Hickey carves quite wonderful stocks doesn't he. Looks to me like you need a bit longer barrel on that thing though, for balance. And then there's that pesky rule about an overall length of 660mm or greater... which may or may not find yours a little short, can't tell what with no tape measure shown next to it.

Kicking this dead old horse just a bit longer... I just had yet another look at the page on airgun rules on the RCMP website. Look again for yourselves if interested, as I'd rather not clutter this thread with too much quoted text, and really it's better to see their entire text for context:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/air_gun-arme_air-eng.htm
The ONLY place with an 'and/or' on that page is under section 2, with such airguns being exempt from most of the storage and transport requirements of a firearm under the act. An airgun which crosses one of those limits but not the other needs no PAL or RPAL, only common sense in terms of use. Crimes 'enhanced' by the brandishing or use of such airguns are of course prohibited, and such use would elevate all such airguns (even airsoft guns, probably even water pistols when you get right down to it) to the rank of full-blown firearms in the eyes of the law. Section 1, which contains the 'and' reference to both joules of energy and muzzle velocity, defines such higher powered airguns as requiring the same licensing and storage and transport precautions as for any firearm.
 
Even some cursory research shows that there are numerous sub 500fps air guns being sold (and owned) in Canada which are under 660mm in OAL. I'd appreciate you retracting that part of your post.
 
My apologies, I misinterpreted your statement that "this dog has quite the bark" as meaning it was PAL rated. Didn't mean to offend, just misunderstood. If it's really loud perhaps it could use a bit more fine tuning, a lighter hammer and/or an SSG perhaps.
 
Hm, now that you mention reading the entire post... dang, you did say 490fps! I completely failed to see that! Guess I was blinded by the Hickey stock. No excuse, just feeling like a dummy over here.
 
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