arcstarter
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lethbridge, AB
Yeah, the stock one you had on there before seemed to flow with the lines of the gun a bit better
Knoxx Recoil absorbing stock
- Thread starter emerson
- Start date
Nah, the stock Norc forend looked fine, but I figured I'd throw the Knoxx on there to see what it was like. So far I prefer the old forend. The knoxx looks a bit clunky, and it's a bit too winde and too flat on the bottom to fit my hand properly.
Well unfortunately, today wasn't the day. Hopefully this week though.
Your shotgun looks good, dude. When you said it came with a foregrip, I thought you meant a pistol grip style.
That's what I'm going to install when I get my parts.
Your shotgun looks good, dude. When you said it came with a foregrip, I thought you meant a pistol grip style.
That's what I'm going to install when I get my parts.
Applefarmer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Lime Stone City
Waiting to see who has one on stock. Prefer the camo version but might have to go black.
Could paint it yourself maybe? I've done a plastic airsoft FAMAS in Krylon camo paints, it's held up pretty well. I doubt you'd have much trouble with wear if you avoided the rubber butt plate and didn't adjust the length too often. Might be difficult to match if your gun is a specific pattern, though.
I put the Norc 870 forend back on tonight....after handling it some more, the Knoxx "ergonomic" forend is definately not for me. This looks and feels better in every way. Finish wears off easily, no chokes, but I think overall this Norinco HP-9 is a great beater utility/plinking gun for the price. hell, the stock cost almost as much as the gun itself.
arcstarter
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lethbridge, AB
You could also Hydrographic dip the stock, they do it on bows all the time and very durable.
Thanks a lot, got it and installed it on my 870. Looks a bit strange with 28" barrel
Question - what is the shortest barrel I can have with that stock and where to get one for less?
Thank you!
i've been wondering the same thing
arcstarter
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lethbridge, AB
I think Dlask Arms sells short barrels
8.5 inch barrel with that exact stock, is 27 inches, so you`re well over the required 26 inch minimum.
I think unless you blocked the stock from the smallest position somehow, their 6.5 inch barrel would be too short with this stock.
So I'm a little bummed about this deal. I got the stock and it fits nicely, beautifully actually.
Feels good, etc. So I brought my shotty to my smithy and had him install the rear Ghost-ring aperture for me, so I could get a measurement of the required front bead heights.
So he calls me and tells me that there is "no way" that I'll be able to use that stock with those sights. Apparently the sights are too low to get your cheek weld in tight enough.
I told him to install it anyways, because I don't know what the F to do anymore.
So I ordered the front sight at the measured height he provided, and I'm going to have him install that as well.
If I find that I can't see through the sights (as he has pretty much guaranteed), I guess I will be hitting up some of my machinist-buddies to machine up some dove-tailed risers/spacers that I can slide in to elevate the entire front and rear set up.
Still, I'm a little disheartened because all I wanted to do was upgrade to something tactical and it's kind of been a frakking nightmare so far.
I should have just saved up and bought a frigging Wilson Combat tactical.
Feels good, etc. So I brought my shotty to my smithy and had him install the rear Ghost-ring aperture for me, so I could get a measurement of the required front bead heights.
So he calls me and tells me that there is "no way" that I'll be able to use that stock with those sights. Apparently the sights are too low to get your cheek weld in tight enough.
I told him to install it anyways, because I don't know what the F to do anymore.
So I ordered the front sight at the measured height he provided, and I'm going to have him install that as well.
If I find that I can't see through the sights (as he has pretty much guaranteed), I guess I will be hitting up some of my machinist-buddies to machine up some dove-tailed risers/spacers that I can slide in to elevate the entire front and rear set up.
Still, I'm a little disheartened because all I wanted to do was upgrade to something tactical and it's kind of been a frakking nightmare so far.
I should have just saved up and bought a frigging Wilson Combat tactical.
OK, so this is my Winchester 1300 Defender now.
Initially it had a factory stock and a side saddle on the receiver, and that was it.
I added:
Knoxx Blackhawk recoil absorbing stock
ATI Stock saddle
ATI Heat shield
Williams Fiber Optic Ghost ring sights
So all in all I am very happy with this Shotgun. You can see in this picture that the Optics gather light quite nicely.
The only thing about the sights that I don't like is
1) The sights are exposed to everything. Most military GR sights have protective wings that block the sights from getting damaged in the bush or if they hit the ground, etc.
2) You have to cheek weld quite high to get your eye low enough to sight the ghost ring. (The sights are built to sit too low on the gun, and there is no adjustability. They need to develop risers/spacers)
So if you make your cheekweld high, and keep your head back a little , the target acquisition is quite fast. The new set up took a bit of getting used to, but I am liking it a lot at this point. This thing is shooting slugs out to 50 yards very accurately. The sights are on.
I have a friend that is a machinist, so after the dirty part of winter arrives, I may get him to machine up some bases that I can insert under the sights to lift them up each about a half inch or so.
Or I just might shop around for some other ones. We'll see. The price was right for the sights. They weren't all that expensive.
Edited to fix typos and add some text.
Initially it had a factory stock and a side saddle on the receiver, and that was it.
I added:
Knoxx Blackhawk recoil absorbing stock
ATI Stock saddle
ATI Heat shield
Williams Fiber Optic Ghost ring sights
So all in all I am very happy with this Shotgun. You can see in this picture that the Optics gather light quite nicely.
The only thing about the sights that I don't like is
1) The sights are exposed to everything. Most military GR sights have protective wings that block the sights from getting damaged in the bush or if they hit the ground, etc.
2) You have to cheek weld quite high to get your eye low enough to sight the ghost ring. (The sights are built to sit too low on the gun, and there is no adjustability. They need to develop risers/spacers)
So if you make your cheekweld high, and keep your head back a little , the target acquisition is quite fast. The new set up took a bit of getting used to, but I am liking it a lot at this point. This thing is shooting slugs out to 50 yards very accurately. The sights are on.
I have a friend that is a machinist, so after the dirty part of winter arrives, I may get him to machine up some bases that I can insert under the sights to lift them up each about a half inch or so.
Or I just might shop around for some other ones. We'll see. The price was right for the sights. They weren't all that expensive.
Edited to fix typos and add some text.
- Location
- Victoria, BC
Just to add some explanation through Physics....
Having your stock pressed into your shoulder delivers the energy from recoil right into your shoulder at a greater percentage. And through the law of conservation of angular momentum, your body has to compensate the force of recoil by tensing core muscles.
In regards to energy transfer, it's like having your cellphone vibrate on a desk, it's loud and energy is transferred into vibrating the table as well as moving the cellphone. The energy is transferred from one dense material to another. Very little of the energy is being absorbed withing the materials themselves. Conversely, if you have your cellphone vibrate on a soft surface, like a mouse pad, very little noise is heard, and the cellphone is stationary, as well, the mouse pad itself doesn't vibrate much at all. This is because the mouse pad material is soft and absorbs the energy internally.
Applying that to shotgun theory, having your leading arm absorb some of the force before the stock completely recoils into stiff contact with the shoulder, produces a loss of energy lost over a dispersed amount of time; and, with the stock not having a strong contact with your shoulder, the energy is transferred into your muscle tissue rather than the fulcrums of your bones. Having energy going into bones means more energy transferred from dense material to dense material, thus pushing you off your sight picture. In other words...
Be the mouse pad!
..... 
Cheers,
Sand
Having your stock pressed into your shoulder delivers the energy from recoil right into your shoulder at a greater percentage. And through the law of conservation of angular momentum, your body has to compensate the force of recoil by tensing core muscles.
In regards to energy transfer, it's like having your cellphone vibrate on a desk, it's loud and energy is transferred into vibrating the table as well as moving the cellphone. The energy is transferred from one dense material to another. Very little of the energy is being absorbed withing the materials themselves. Conversely, if you have your cellphone vibrate on a soft surface, like a mouse pad, very little noise is heard, and the cellphone is stationary, as well, the mouse pad itself doesn't vibrate much at all. This is because the mouse pad material is soft and absorbs the energy internally.
Applying that to shotgun theory, having your leading arm absorb some of the force before the stock completely recoils into stiff contact with the shoulder, produces a loss of energy lost over a dispersed amount of time; and, with the stock not having a strong contact with your shoulder, the energy is transferred into your muscle tissue rather than the fulcrums of your bones. Having energy going into bones means more energy transferred from dense material to dense material, thus pushing you off your sight picture. In other words...
Be the mouse pad!
..... Cheers,
Sand
OK, so this is my Winchester 1300 Defender now.
Initially it had a factory stock and a side saddle on the receiver, and that was it.
I added:
Knoxx Blackhawk recoil absorbing stock
ATI Stock saddle
ATI Heat shield
Williams Fiber Optic Ghost ring sights
So all in all I am very happy with this Shotgun. You can see in this picture that the Optics gather light quite nicely.
The only thing about the sights that I don't like is
1) The sights are exposed to everything. Most military GR sights have protective wings that block the sights from getting damaged in the bush or if they hit the ground, etc.
2) You have to cheek weld quite high to get your eye low enough to sight the ghost ring. (The sights are built to sit too low on the gun, and there is no adjustability. They need to develop risers/spacers)
So if you make your cheekweld high, and keep your head back a little , the target acquisition is quite fast. The new set up took a bit of getting used to, but I am liking it a lot at this point. This thing is shooting slugs out to 50 yards very accurately. The sights are on.
I have a friend that is a machinist, so after the dirty part of winter arrives, I may get him to machine up some bases that I can insert under the sights to lift them up each about a half inch or so.
Or I just might shop around for some other ones. We'll see. The price was right for the sights. They weren't all that expensive.
Edited to fix typos and add some text.
The angle of you stock looks off on my 870 there is more of a drop which allows me to use a bead with 0 issues
