knoxx stock for 870?
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there is the endine recoil buffer for it
we use them on the S&J hardware stock adaptors.
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we use them on the S&J hardware stock adaptors.
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recoil absorbing stocks
AGREED - but the real purpose of a recoil absorbing stock is SPEED ! For competition - faster follow up shots -
I know exactly what you mean RePete, and I must agree.
To some, these new tech stocks are the next best slice of bread. To some of us old hammers, they are a solution for something we didn't have a problem with in the first place.Hold that gun tight to your shoulder, private!
Sure, these new fangled spring loaded commodities do what they claim, if you just so happen not to shoulder your gun properly. They sure look cool, tactical, yada, yada ...
What RePete is hurting himself to say, is that if you got some advice on how to shoulder a firearm correctly, you wouldn't have pain after a million shells downrange.
People don't seem to want advice, especially this young generation, so the stock makers came out with an idiot proof, springloaded buttstock to pacify the pain in your shoulder and your pocketbook.
How do I know this?
I tried counselling a shooter at a three gun match not to hold his buttstock on his bicept when firing. You know how some shooters hang over the side of the barricade with 3/4 of their gun ahead of the barricade instead of cutting the pie?? -- He looked in pain as he strained his neck for his cheek to meet the buttstock.
He dissed me saying he's been shooting for a million years. He didn't see the bruise running from his shoulder to his elbow untill I pointed that his million years experience is going to give him gangarine if he didn't get attention for his arm right of way.
So thought some of you guys have different opinions, consider that OLD GUYS KNOW STUFF.
AGREED - but the real purpose of a recoil absorbing stock is SPEED ! For competition - faster follow up shots -
True, somehow I don't think they were as intended for such as much as they are regarded to be tacticool and innovative and make the 870 even more modular.
Personally, I like the inline design of the Brobee adapter more so than recoil absorbtion factor, or shot recovery speed. However, both of these factors are addressed with the inline design anyway.
Another good thing about the Brobee design, you could easily swap out the sliding buttsock just by sliding it off the end of the receiver extension.
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Hold that gun tight to your shoulder, private!
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you wouldn't have pain after a million shells downrange.
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I tried counselling a shooter at a three gun match not to hold his buttstock on his bicept when firing.
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OLD GUYS KNOW STUFF.
1) thanks for the "suck it up" comment - really helps the arthritis.
2) tell that to the petite young lady I took to the range last weekend. I guarantee she would have had pain, and perhaps injury, from a regular stock.
3) anyone who holds a shotgun on the bicep is an idiot - please don't assume everyone who finds the recoil-reducing stocks a) less painful, and b) faster to operate, to be in the same category
4) sometimes, you have to let go of what you "know" to try a new thing - especially when it works.
I don't hear anyone complaining that recoil pads are somehow unmanly and unhelpful. And yet a recoil pad is just a rubber/sorbothane/what have you spring. If we can put more springs with more travel in the system, that's a good thing - just like a recoil pad the peak force on the shoulder is reduced.
Back-to-back comparisons show that the recoil-reducing stocks are faster, all else being equal. That's great news for sport shooters, and great news for the people who shoot for a living.
What's not to love?
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What's not to love?
The reduction in recoil is minimal at best(IMO) and not required(see isometric push-pull technique). Pistol grip stocks do not permit the operator the ability to use the safety without removing one hand from the firearm, this goes for Winchester, Mossberg or Remington. I find the stock sits far too high thus not allowing me to get my head low enough to use the bead sight.
The adjustable LOP is excellent.
TDC
The reduction in recoil is minimal at best(IMO) and not required(see isometric push-pull technique). Pistol grip stocks do not permit the operator the ability to use the safety without removing one hand from the firearm, this goes for Winchester, Mossberg or Remington. I find the stock sits far too high thus not allowing me to get my head low enough to use the bead sight.
The adjustable LOP is excellent.
TDC
I don't know, old habits die hard, I guess. Just as you learn something new, something new comes out. Eventually you just pick what works for you and stick with it.
Hey, I don't deny the Knoxx stock's usefulness, it wouldn't be in such demand if it wasn't in some way.
I, along with a few others here it seems, just can't justify a benefit from it aside from its innovative perspective.
As the old saying goes, you either know how to shoot, or you don't. No matter what you pick up.
Arthritis? Pain? What kind of a combat shooter are you anyway?
... but I'm really happy that your lady friend was able to enjoy the sport painlessly.
Hey, I don't deny the Knoxx stock's usefulness, it wouldn't be in such demand if it wasn't in some way.
I, along with a few others here it seems, just can't justify a benefit from it aside from its innovative perspective.
As the old saying goes, you either know how to shoot, or you don't. No matter what you pick up.
Arthritis? Pain? What kind of a combat shooter are you anyway? ... but I'm really happy that your lady friend was able to enjoy the sport painlessly.
The no-longer-young kind. Like a lot of us on this board, eh?
I've shot a compstock. They show promise. There seems to be less potential for pinching on a compstock. My only concern is the standard length of pull which is too long for most shooters.
TDC
If you're talking about the Enidine Buffer, I can see how it creates faster follow-up shots, even reduce the cyclic rate of full-auto rifles, but I fail to imagine how a product, designed for a gas recoil operated system have anything to do with recoil while installed on a shotgun?
The Enidine buffer system pretty much does the same thing a heavy buffer would, except its hydraulic. Actually, it's spring operated in a sealed case.
The Enidine buffer system pretty much does the same thing a heavy buffer would, except its hydraulic. Actually, it's spring operated in a sealed case.
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Now I'm getting more confused about what to buy I need the recoil absorption factor & adjustable stock for my kids. there just getting info hunting & there small framed so I need the recoil absorption the adjustable stock lets both kids use it as well as myself. So which is better for my needs Knoxx Specops, Mesa LEO
The Mesa LEO with the enidine recoil buffer is twice the price of the
Specops, maybe more. The Mesa LEO without the buffer has no recoil reduction.
Mesa makes great stuff, so your question is "how much do I want to spend". Having said that, the Specops works fine to reduce recoil.
Specops, maybe more. The Mesa LEO without the buffer has no recoil reduction.
Mesa makes great stuff, so your question is "how much do I want to spend". Having said that, the Specops works fine to reduce recoil.
They aren't. This is a replacement RET that has a built-in hydraulic buffer. specifically made for shotgun stock adaptors.
I know exactly what you mean RePete, and I must agree.
To some, these new tech stocks are the next best slice of bread. To some of us old hammers, they are a solution for something we didn't have a problem with in the first place.
Sure, these new fangled spring loaded commodities do what they claim, if you just so happen not to shoulder your gun properly. They sure look cool, tactical, yada, yada ...
What RePete is hurting himself to say, is that if you got some advice on how to shoulder a firearm correctly, you wouldn't have pain after a million shells downrange.
People don't seem to want advice, especially this young generation, so the stock makers came out with an idiot proof, springloaded buttstock to pacify the pain in your shoulder and your pocketbook.
How do I know this?
I tried counselling a shooter at a three gun match not to hold his buttstock on his bicept when firing. You know how some shooters hang over the side of the barricade with 3/4 of their gun ahead of the barricade instead of cutting the pie?? -- He looked in pain as he strained his neck for his cheek to meet the buttstock.
He dissed me saying he's been shooting for a million years. He didn't see the bruise running from his shoulder to his elbow untill I pointed that his million years experience is going to give him gangarine if he didn't get attention for his arm right of way.
So thought some of you guys have different opinions, consider that OLD GUYS KNOW STUFF.
Nicely put!
1. I have a touch of the Arthur, and the stock is still a waste of money!
2. I've taken young women to the range and had them shoot a 12ga mostly without incident.
3. Been there done that.
4. Knowledge is power.
Recoil pads are manly. My Choate stock was bought the year after they came out, and didn't have a pad but a butt plate (hard). About 7 years ago it got to the point that I didn't want to shoot it, so when Choate offered a soft recoil pad, I got one and am loving shooting it again.
Springs that do not have anything do do with the operation of the gun, are just a gimic and can be prone to breakage, almost making the gun usless.
Published tests don't mean a thing, they are just advertising hype and don't think for a minute that the results are skewed in favour of the product - the advertisers pay the bills for the rags.
I'm sorry, you were referring to an Enidine BUFFER earlier.
That is an Enidine receiver "EXTENSION TUBE".
Although, Mesa did name it the Enidine Shotgun Stock Hydraulic Buffer.
...and they are spring loaded as well. ... and about $150.
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thios is the unit we sell for the brobee adaptor as well.They aren't. This is a replacement RET that has a built-in hydraulic buffer. specifically made for shotgun stock adaptors.
very well made and it works better then the knoxx system, but itsa alot more $$
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