Find him (or build) a 4 bore Noel. May as well have some fun at your buddy's expense. - dan
Kodiak Express Double Rifle?
- Thread starter Noel
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- Vernon, BC
Noel:
Beater had a TC BigBore 58Cal carbine for sale arround the $400 mark. TC or Thompson Centre is a good name that makes quality stuff, and Beater is a top notch guy.
Trust me, you load that stout carbine with real black powder (ffg granulation), in that size (58 cal) it will make plenty of smoke. Further with the price of lead being what it is, this is plenty big, you can still get components off the shelf, and will spend more time shooting becuase of it.
Further, casting for Smoke poles is a little different than casting for smokless. You want you lead as pure as you can find it99+ is not to pure. WW while fun to make noise, will be to hard to obtureate properly, and the accuracy will more than likely end up being poor.
I have done and shot a lot of different smoke poles, and even competed for a year or two. If this is his first smoke pole, the learning curve will be very steep, and it more fun when one has success, and wants to shoot more.
I would strongly suggest getting a good book, (the one Written by Sam Faddala) the title escapes me right now, and read it cover to cover. I don't agree with all that Sam has to say, but regardless of what ones opinion is, he has alot of experince, alot of things to share, and cover many if not most of the possible BP disiplines. Then if you buddy still wants to proceed, get a single barrel. Make that smokepole spu smoke, learn what it takes to make it accurate, then, and only then move on to a sxs double.
Just my 2 cents from what I have learn in my short time shooting bp.
regards and all the best
AbH
Beater had a TC BigBore 58Cal carbine for sale arround the $400 mark. TC or Thompson Centre is a good name that makes quality stuff, and Beater is a top notch guy.
Trust me, you load that stout carbine with real black powder (ffg granulation), in that size (58 cal) it will make plenty of smoke. Further with the price of lead being what it is, this is plenty big, you can still get components off the shelf, and will spend more time shooting becuase of it.
Further, casting for Smoke poles is a little different than casting for smokless. You want you lead as pure as you can find it99+ is not to pure. WW while fun to make noise, will be to hard to obtureate properly, and the accuracy will more than likely end up being poor.
I have done and shot a lot of different smoke poles, and even competed for a year or two. If this is his first smoke pole, the learning curve will be very steep, and it more fun when one has success, and wants to shoot more.
I would strongly suggest getting a good book, (the one Written by Sam Faddala) the title escapes me right now, and read it cover to cover. I don't agree with all that Sam has to say, but regardless of what ones opinion is, he has alot of experince, alot of things to share, and cover many if not most of the possible BP disiplines. Then if you buddy still wants to proceed, get a single barrel. Make that smokepole spu smoke, learn what it takes to make it accurate, then, and only then move on to a sxs double.
Just my 2 cents from what I have learn in my short time shooting bp.
regards and all the best
AbH
I appreciate you putting out the effort to express the fundamentals Abh. Cheers! I will try to locate this book and get Guy to read it before we proceed anymore! Getting components off the shelf is a great point as well, Just like selling a newbie a wildcat, handing him dies and saying enjoy and then turning and walking away, it will only lead to another person loosing interest real fast. Pretty sure he won't be wanting to start smelting lead anytime in the future.
Thanks!
Noel
Thanks!
Noel
- Location
- Vernon, BC
Noel:
If you need, I can get the proper name for you as I have a well used copy at home.
I have been down his road, and if he can avoid some of the pitfalls and be more successfull, all the more power to him.
Start him with a big bore single barrel cap lock, and go from there, and never look back!!
Just know one needs to walk before they run, and there is not a single campion that on his journey to the top did not have a boldy nose, or been knocked soundly on his a$$ more than once. The important part is that he got up again and finished it.
Hope this helps.
regards
AbH
If you need, I can get the proper name for you as I have a well used copy at home.
I have been down his road, and if he can avoid some of the pitfalls and be more successfull, all the more power to him.
Start him with a big bore single barrel cap lock, and go from there, and never look back!!
Just know one needs to walk before they run, and there is not a single campion that on his journey to the top did not have a boldy nose, or been knocked soundly on his a$$ more than once. The important part is that he got up again and finished it.
Hope this helps.
regards
AbH
Another point in favour of something conventional goes back to my question of what does he really want? I own and have shot guns that many would consider big and making lots of smoke and noise. I rarely shoot them because they go through so much lead and powder and are heavy enough and recoil enough, they are not terribly fun to shoot. A 14 lb gun with triple the recoil of a 12 guage and getting 28 shots to the lb of powder and capable of smashing most targets found on a black powder trail is simply not something you shoot very often even if you don't mind the 6 lbs of lead it would take to complete a trail nor the irresponsibility of destroying the targets.
A gun of .50 - to .58 caliber and 7 or 8 lbs can be shot all day while being big and smoky enough for most people.
cheers mooncoon
A gun of .50 - to .58 caliber and 7 or 8 lbs can be shot all day while being big and smoky enough for most people.
cheers mooncoon
The big smoke part is more a bad attempt at a sense of humour. I am sure he will find plenty of fun in a standard one. I as a general rule tend to go for more unique pieces and he liked the double so we were just running with it.
He will be thankful he just got a single barrel stuffer when he is scrubbing the bore too!LOL
Abh, if you can find that book title it would be just grand.
Thanks for the help guys!
Noel
He will be thankful he just got a single barrel stuffer when he is scrubbing the bore too!LOL
Abh, if you can find that book title it would be just grand.
Thanks for the help guys!
Noel
Dez
The eight bore is rifled and has a very good bore.
On the subject of Kodiak doubles, I had a 50 cal and it seem to shoot in the 4 to 5 inch size at 50 to 75 yards and I just got a 58 cal. I haven't fired it but the guy I got it from shot a lot of deer but only used the right barrel. The load he used was about a foot apart at 100 yard. Both of these guns are from the late 80's
I also have a Westley Richards muzzleloading double 12 bore rifle. It is designed for a belted ball and I haven't got a mould for this. I have used minne bullets of 750 grains and 120 grains of 2F powder and at 50 yards it shoots in 4 to 5 inches both barrels and this I consider fine. The gun is for close in work on big game in the 1850's mine was made in 1851 and spend a lot of time in India.
John
The eight bore is rifled and has a very good bore.
On the subject of Kodiak doubles, I had a 50 cal and it seem to shoot in the 4 to 5 inch size at 50 to 75 yards and I just got a 58 cal. I haven't fired it but the guy I got it from shot a lot of deer but only used the right barrel. The load he used was about a foot apart at 100 yard. Both of these guns are from the late 80's
I also have a Westley Richards muzzleloading double 12 bore rifle. It is designed for a belted ball and I haven't got a mould for this. I have used minne bullets of 750 grains and 120 grains of 2F powder and at 50 yards it shoots in 4 to 5 inches both barrels and this I consider fine. The gun is for close in work on big game in the 1850's mine was made in 1851 and spend a lot of time in India.
John
