Kodiak Wk180 nsr

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Hey just wondering what everyone's thoughts are about the new NSR model from Kodiak.

I have no experience with the wk180c so looking for opinions from people who one about reliability,quality and so on

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I’m researching the same rifle now. One on the EE looks interesting. Then I search up some threads on these rifles. They seem to have poor QC and warranty service issues, with guns popping pieces with minimal rounds and some sight/ optics mounting issues. Kinda leery now.
 
Still alive said:
I’m researching the same rifle now. One on the EE looks interesting. Then I search up some threads on these rifles. They seem to have poor QC and warranty service issues, with guns popping pieces with minimal rounds and some sight/ optics mounting issues. Kinda leery now.
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That is what I have been seeing and hearing as well. So a little Leary on buying one
 
Considering Kodiak's actions toward Wolverine with this platform I could't buy another of their guns in good conscience. Add North Sylva on top of that and you have a big nope.
 
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Considering Kodiak's actions toward Wolverine with this platform I could't buy another of their guns in good conscience. Add North Sylva on top of that and you have a big nope.
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I saw the post by Kodiak but they don’t mention what the dispute is. Since this thread is not in a business forum, can you speculate or enlighten us on what happened between the 2 of them? I’m looking to get a used rifle so not enriching their pockets.
 
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Considering Kodiak's actions toward Wolverine with this platform I could't buy another of their guns in good conscience. Add North Sylva on top of that and you have a big nope.
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What actions are you talking about? All Kodiac did was pick up a new customer with a new rifle design to the best of my knowledge.
 
The NSR looks like a problem to a solution that was never needed.

Efforts should have been put into quality improvements to the existing WK180-C.

Just my .02
 
Still alive said:
... can you speculate or enlighten us on what happened between the 2 of them? .
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My speculative interpretation is:

The WK-180C was a joint venture project. The initial idea was Wolverine's, they made the design decisions, did the prototype testing, fronted the production capital and handled the sales and distribution. Kodiak contributed the engineering (essential for turning design ideas into real products), manufacturing, and warranty support.

Thus it was a partnership, with both parties contributing some essential elements, though I suggest all of the impetus and most of the assumption of risk was undertaken by Wolverine. It worked that way until Kodiak unilaterally made a few design changes, declared it a new model, and engaged with a competitor of Wolverine's to sell the "new" rifle.

I don't know John Hipwell very well, but I have spoken to him on a couple of occasions and have been very familiar with Wolverine since they operated out of a den on the side of the farmhouse. I have always had a very positive impression of the man and the business. And I have the feeling that Kodiak cut Wolverine out of their own project in a very dishonourable fashion.
 
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Still alive said:
I think you mentioned you liked these rifles in the other locked thread and they worked for you. Still feel the same way?
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If you are referring to my comments about the WK180-C... Yes I still like mine. And they are real early serial number with the magnetic charging handle.

They aren't perfect but I haven't experienced anything worthy of bringing out the pitchforks and torches.

One thing I don't like is the minuscule gas block to handguard clearance but it's a blaster not a precision rig so I can live with the odd flier I think is caused by contact during firing.

The biggest thing I'm experiencing now is one rifle after ~2000 rounds is just starting to show a little inner receiver wear from the magnetic charging handle. Some rifles wore really bad really fast so considering mine is just starting to show wear after now I'm happy.

And I'm kinda not happy Kodiak will make me buy the new style bolt carrier but the rifle is working good enough that I plan on keeping it.

Some people (like me) were lucky with the early ones. Some weren't.

Overall I think it's a good product. I just think it could have used a little higher quality material in a few critical areas. If they did that instead of coming out with a new abomination of a model I think they would have done something better.

But I think the new NSR model was more of a way to be able to sever ties with Wolverine than anything. It's wasn't necessarily about coming out with a better product.
 
BattleRife said:
My speculative interpretation is:

The WK-180C was a joint venture project. The initial idea was Wolverine's, they made the design decisions, did the prototype testing, fronted the production capital and handled the sales and distribution. Kodiak contributed the engineering (essential for turning design ideas into real products), manufacturing, and warranty support.

Thus it was a partnership, with both parties contributing some essential elements, though I suggest all of the impetus and most of the assumption of risk was undertaken by Wolverine. It worked that way until Kodiak unilaterly made a few design changes, declared it a new model, and engaged with a competitor of Wolverine's to sell the "new" rifle.

I don't know John Hipwell very well, but I have spoken to him on a couple of occasions and have been very familiar with Wolverine since they operated out of a den on the side of the farmhouse. I have always had a very positive impression of the man and the business. And I have the feeling that Kodiak cut Wolverine out of their own project in a very dishonorable fashion.
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I would agree that this appears to be the situation. Wolverine is and always has been a place that cares deeply about Canadian gun owners. I have had my WK off twice for warranty work. I really want to LOVE the gun but after breaking a bolt handle from regular use I can't say it's one of my favorites.
 
BattleRife said:
My speculative interpretation is:

The WK-180C was a joint venture project. The initial idea was Wolverine's, they made the design decisions, did the prototype testing, fronted the production capital and handled the sales and distribution. Kodiak contributed the engineering (essential for turning design ideas into real products), manufacturing, and warranty support.

Thus it was a partnership, with both parties contributing some essential elements, though I suggest all of the impetus and most of the assumption of risk was undertaken by Wolverine. It worked that way until Kodiak unilaterly made a few design changes, declared it a new model, and engaged with a competitor of Wolverine's to sell the "new" rifle.

I don't know John Hipwell very well, but I have spoken to him on a couple of occasions and have been very familiar with Wolverine since they operated out of a den on the side of the farmhouse. I have always had a very positive impression of the man and the business. And I have the feeling that Kodiak cut Wolverine out of their own project in a very dishonourable fashion.
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not very business like of Kodiak seems they kicked Wolverine in the stones
 
Having not dealt nor seen one of these in real life, why would one need a magnetic charging handle? Is this the same thing that gouges the inner part of the receiver? And I believe the later models solved the issue, correct?

Thanks for the reply jiffx2781.
 
Still alive said:
Having not dealt nor seen one of these in real life, why would one need a magnetic charging handle? Is this the same thing that gouges the inner part of the receiver? And I believe the later models solved the issue, correct?

Thanks for the reply jiffx2781.
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The magnetic charging handle would not be an issue if it wasn't running against a soft aluminum receiver. The original 180 had a steel receiver so the charging handle flopping around was never an issue as the steel receiver could withstand the wear.

Something that was definitely overlooked when they made the WK180-C. They now have the threaded handle/carrier which is what I'm going to have to upgrade to.
 
Still alive said:
Good to know and thanks again.
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I should add I think they are a "good" gun that has succeeded at meeting it's purpose of being a "good" entry level fun blaster.

If you don't go into the purchase expecting a Colt Canada quality firearm you won't be disappointed.
 
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