Korean War: Russian version
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are these certain areas near the slave markets?
there was significant overlap in the trade areas of the roman empire and the chinese empire (ie arabia and india). not to mention all the contact with the mongol empire which shipped skilled people here and there.
as to the WWII topic, it is difficult to believe that without US involvement that germany could have been defeated. imagine germany wasn't getting the stuffing bombed out of it and all those AA guns transfered to the front (and remember that the 88 was a tremendous anti-tank gun). imagine the red army without trucks, or resources being diverted from tank and artillery production.
and in korea, it wouldn't surprise me that soviet "advisers" were there.
Isnt it amazing that there actually are people who believe this?
Saying that US (and Canada) did NOTHING to contribute to the victory in Europe is clearly ignorant, but not nearly as ignorant as comparing the war efforts of the Soviets and the western allies.
Sure, the west supplied A LOT of materials/equipment to the USSR during the WW2, but doing that does not make you "THE clear winner of WW2".
US decided to jump in on the action and open the second front AFTER it was already clear that Germany would be defeated. Had they not opened the second front, it would take the Russians slightly more time (and lives) to reach the same outcome (Germany's unconditional surrender). But without the second front, it would be A LOT more difficult for the Americans to convince their population that they are "THE clear winners of WW2".
USSR had almost as many casualities in WW2 as the rest of the world combined. They have caused the most German casualities (BY FAR - 75-80%). Majority of actual fighting took place on Russian soil. Oh, and it was the Russians who raised their flag over Reichstag. So please, get your facts straight before spewing nonsense like that.
that would be evidence that their ships made it. i have no trouble believing that chinese (or japanese) ships (be they merchant, fishing, etc) made it to the west coast, easy to imagine a disabled ship drifting on the current only to appear or wreak on the west coast. the big question would be whether any of the sailors would be alive and if they where, what would be their welcome to the coast. and did they ever return home. i don't believe for a second the idea of "1421".
coins though, don't underestimate the reach of trade networks. for example, when the norse where running around, goods from the canadian arctic where being traded at least as far as byzantium/constantinople. corn made it's way from mexico to canada. silk was being carried from china to europe. and along the west coast of NA, what was the reach of groups like the haida in their canoes?
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The man lower down by the flag waver has 2 wrist watches on, one on each hand.
If you watch the youtube link that was posted "who started ww2", it was brought up in part 1 of 4.
This is well said... By late 1943, it was apparent to the world that the Red Army would prevail over Germany with or without a second front opening in France. Furthermore, given what we know about Stalin and the USSR, there is nothing to indicate he would have simply stopped his forces in Germany – he would have almost certainly overrun Europe in its entirety. The Western Allies, by opening a second front had a two-fold mission. To first was of course to vanquish Germany, the second was to act as a counterweight to the Red Army. If you notice, early in the War, Stalin was adamant that a second front be opened immediately. By 1944, after he realized he would win – he was not nearly as vocal.
I know this thread was about the Korean War, my apologies for contributing towards taking it off topic. Maybe we should begin an Eastern Front discussion thread?
When it is said that the U.S.A. was the clear winner in WWII, most people understand it to be a comment on the extent to which participating countries benefitted from the result, e.g. increase in strategic and economic power and in prestige, relative to their losses. With the traditional Great Powers in Europe laid low, Soviet Russia and the U.S.A emerged in a new class of Superpowers. Comparing the devastation of western Russia and its loss of lives with the losses suffered by the U.S.A., the latter came out the clear winner.
Certainly Soviet Russia contributed the largest part of the effort to defeat Nazi Germany and the rest of the Axis (except for Italy and Japan - Stalin left them largely alone). But Soviet Russia also provided secret facilities in 1930s for the Germans to develop and test new military equipment and practise its use, supplied them with raw materials for their war industries and with grain up until the start of Operation Barbarossa in 1941, guaranteed them their freedom of action against Western Europe by the non-aggression pact and joined them in the invasion and conquest of Poland. With all of that, Soviet Russia probably contributed more to Hitler's military success up until the summer of 1941 than the rest of the Axis did.
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Originally Posted by snowhunter
........... the US clearly came out as THE winner of WW2.
Absolutely, where were the Russians at D-Day, Dieppe, Dunkirk, North Africa, The Atlantic, The St. Lawrence Seaway, At England, The Pacific, The Battle of the Bulge,
and the list goes on......
the Russians were drinking Vodka and Screwing Olga, that's where they were.
........... the US clearly came out as THE winner of WW2.
Absolutely, where were the Russians at D-Day, Dieppe, Dunkirk, North Africa, The Atlantic, The St. Lawrence Seaway, At England, The Pacific, The Battle of the Bulge,
and the list goes on......
the Russians were drinking Vodka and Screwing Olga, that's where they were.
There is enough evidance found in coastal Indian villages that the Chinese arrived on this coast, including coins and anchors. Since the currents favoured a northern eastward crossing and southern return, it makes sense. Certainly their vessels were more than capable. There is also significant artifacts showing they sent time in Madagascar. I take some of the grander claims with a large bag of salt.
A fishing trawler brough up a 2,000 Chinese vase in the St of Juan Defuca. The problem was there is no supporting evidance to place it with a wreck, it could have come from one of the later shipwrecks. I volunteered at the Maritime Museum and the you can see the fingerprint of the potter who made where he was a minor flaw. You imagine him cursing in Han/Cantonese Chinese about what a bad day he was having!
Are there any aboriginal folk tales of such ships arriving? Bawlf makes the case that Drake stopped at Cape Cook and a band there has an oral tradition that mentions "bearded men" in "floating houses" who came long before the later explorers.
If intact ships from China, Japan or Korea arrived and departed from the North West coast, there should be some folk memory of that. If there is none, my theory would still be wrecks blown across the pacific. Survivors are quite possible, and the quite Japanese or Korean features of the Haida would fit that I think. Whether their DNA does, I don't know.
The man lower down by the flag waver has 2 wrist watches on, one on each hand.
If you watch the youtube link that was posted "who started ww2", it was brought up in part 1 of 4.
Presumably you know that photo was restaged for the photographer?
And the Allies agreed at Yalta to hold back and let the Soviets get to Berlin first. We even withdrew from parts of German we had conquered and let the Soviets occupy them.
Patton was already in Czechoslovakia when the war ended.
When it comes to blind patriotism and fanatic political/historical bias, I often find it amusing the amount of hypocricy and irony that ensues.
Wave the flag harder, tighten those blinders...
what was the term again...
Lie so much you believe yourself.
The commies and fascists would LOVE your type. Fit in perfect with their ideals, and your thinking acts the part well.
So tell us again, America saved the world and single handedly won ww1 and 2 right...
How's that saying go, in WW2 the English did the planning, the Russians did the heavy lifting and the US paid for it. - dan
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Maybe the Soviet Communist Regime got what they deserved facing off with "Team Germany" on the Russian Front 1941, when the Soviet Union in 1932-1933 starved 6-10 million Ukrainians to Death.
What goes around, comes around! The Commies should be tried for War Crimes and Genocide in 1932-33!
Better Dead than Red!
Maybe the Soviet Communist Regime got what they deserved facing off with "Team Germany" on the Russian Front 1941, when the Soviet Union in 1932-1933 starved 6-10 million Ukrainians to Death.
What goes around, comes around! The Commies should be tried for War Crimes and Genocide in 1932-33!
Better Dead than Red!
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I worked with a guy who was Polish Underground in WW2.
He had a strong dislike for the German and Russian invaders.
The homemade Molotov Cocktails and Tin Can Hand Grenades took care
of the invaders quite nicely he told me!
