krag .308 cal

ryan robert said:
thanks for the info guys, sad thing is i really like this rifle but if its not safe...well?

Andy, it seems that i indeed have three locking spots on the bolt? Anyone know of any diagrams , that could help me find out if its Norwegian or not, or a way to identify its origin?

thanks RR
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if it's a US Krag it will be stamped on the left side of the reciever

U.S.
model 18 whatever springfield armory serial #
 
This topic leads me to wonder...is anyone doing "Nitro proof" ing anymore?

Is there some way this Rifle could get checked/proofed for modern .308 loads?

Btw She does look great. :)
 
Andy said:
............. but it seems reasonable that the Norwegian Krag should theoretically stand up to factory 308 - the anecdotal evidence seems to support that.
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I love anecdotal evidence..... :D :D :D :D :D

Kind of reminds me of my first parachute jump as a pathfinder (wind drift indicator) for the rest of the boys. I'm sure the Sergeant Major looked out the open door and said, well.... he survived that one, so I guess we can send the rest of them. :p

Nice looking rifle ... great thread dialog......

I'm going to forward it to a bunch of Krag collector experts and see if they have any comments.

Regards,
Badger

EDIT: Just for clarification........... when I commented above, I meant (without sarcasm) literally what it said..... I really do love anecdotal evidence..... ....... Somestimes, in the absence of other data, it produces the correct answer. In other words, as Andy pointed out, anecdotally it seems to work fine, so therefore it's probably fine. It was a supportive comment agreeing with what he said, using some levity of my "wind indicator" analogy to validate it. If I said it badly or it was construed as anything but positive, then I apologize......... :)
 
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BadgerDog asked me to take a look at this interesting topic.

One quick way to identify an unmarked ("scrubbed") Norwegian Krag is the attachment method for the magazine sideplate. No screw - cleverly held in place by the cutoff shank.

I think Andy has the right answers. The Norwegian Krag has a stronger design and generally better metallurgy than the US models. I personally wouldn't hesitate to fire one that had been professionally re-barrelled to .308 Win. but I wouldn't recommend it. It was designed for 6.5x55, a 45,000 c.u.p. load, and might not appreciate being hammered with an additional 10,000 c.u.p. on a regular basis. If I owned such a rifle, I'd shoot only mild handloads, just as I do for my Spanish 1916 in 7.62 NATO - another marginal conversion.

It's worth noting that Kongsberg arsenal produced a limited quantity of sporting Krags in 8x57 after WWII (the M48 and M51 "elgrifle", using 1912 carbine actions). Despite the provision of a special low-pressure load by Norma, these rifles apparently didn't hold up well. (See Brophy's Krag book, pp. 145-147, also De Haas' bolt-rifle book for a thoughtful evaluation)
 
ok so after completely dissasembeling this beast..this is what i have found....on the triger mech there are two #'s one on the trigger and one on the lever attached to it (.676)
on bottom of the mag housing there seems to be a ser # of some sort(413521276)

on the barrell there is a (010) and on the reciever where the barrel enters the reciver there is (010)

on the bottom of the mag housing is a #(22) etched with what looks to be an engraver

in front of the mag housing on the bottom of the reciever where the barrel enters it reads (IH) under that it reads (hTH)

on the silver round feeder? pusher? it has (.346)

and that is all of the markings on the rifle the mag door is held in by a long pin type thingy

the bolt has various #'s no doubt due to canabilism...(.030) (.236) the inside of the bolt has the letters (DH)

thanks guys for your help on this one

RR

time to figure out reassembly the funnest part IMHO lol:)
 
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SKScanuck said:
Well, I'm going to borrow my Bud's Frag and take some pictures.
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Unintentional I think, but funny nonetheless.

I'd like to see those pics - and even the gun in person some day.
 
BadgerDog said:
I love anecdotal evidence..... :D :D :D :D :D

Kind of reminds me of my first parachute jump as a pathfinder (wind drift indicator) for the rest of the boys. I'm sure the Sergeant Major looked out the open door and said, well.... he survived that one, so I guess we can send the rest of them. :p

Posted on the camp bulletin board,

Day one. Colonel so&so. Weather control officer
Day two. Captain so&so, Turbulence tester
Day three. Lt. so&so, Wind dummy:D
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John Sukey said:
Posted on the camp bulletin board,

Day one. Colonel so&so. Weather control officer
Day two. Captain so&so, Turbulence tester
Day three. Lt. so&so, Wind dummy:D
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Ahhhhh...... :eek:

John, I see you've been there, done that and have the tee-shirts..... :D

Regards,
Badger
 
mmmm anyone ever see a 308 krag go ca--boom? i wouldnt take the chance but PROOF OF SOME SORT...........IS NEEDED.
6.5X55 MAUSER IS IN SAME PRESSURE RANGE, YES? AS 308 ?
THATS THE NORWEGIAN KRAG USUAL CHAMBERING?
no expert here , just saying.......fer sake of discussing .........ok?
 
I have seen 2 Norwegian Krags, professionally converted and sporter stocked in Europe in .243. Both were reported to be fine shooters. The Swedes routinely converted M96 rifles into 7.62 target rifles, without problems. They didn't use M38 actions. When Samco was going to sell the Spanish converted 7.62s (on 1893 pattern actions), they had the HP White Labs test them. No problems. The .303 produces less pressure than a 7.62, but L42 rifles, etc. work fine. The Norwegian krag is somewhat stronger than the US Krag. Have read of a US Krag converted to .22 Hornet failing. I suspect what we have here is that there was a margin incorporated into some of these older actions which allows such conversions to function without KBs happening even if used with a higher pressure round than originally used. Is this good practice? The Swedes thought so, as did the Brits. I don't know. If a .308 Krag were mine, I'd be using .300 Savage level loads, but that would be my decision. When a rifle action fails, it is usually because the cartridge case fails. If this happens, there are some rifles that you really don't want to have in front of your face.
 
I have a Krag done by Globe in my possession. I will post some pics soon. I am having another CGN who's expertise I respect look at it. From looking at the gun it looks as safe as any other gun I have shot. The bolt locks up in three places and the barrel is new. Anyhooo.. the pics will come shortly and you-all can decide for yourself.

Do I detect another addition of "milsurp-myth-busters" :D
 
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