Kriss Super V CRB/SO or SRB/SO

I have emailed Canadian dealers as well as the company that produces them to see if they will be offering them to the Canadian market and if so when they will be available and for how much.
I will update when I have the information.
As for the function, reviews of the product even in semi auto are positive and reflect significantly lower recoil than a standard system.
Despite the fact that it may not be a needed product for anyone (LE/MIL/Civ) I still think the idea is cool and would be interested in owning one.

Tim
 
+1 for .45ACP sub gun.

Concerning mil/LEO over penetration is a serious concern when deploying .223 carbines in urban and CQB settings. Though the benefits of the fragmentation and hydrolic shock profile of .223 are undisputed. .45 is an excellent option with less likelyhood of overpenetrating a body, or several walls.

I like it.

Jeff
 
This is what i got from the KRISS-TDI

Rod

Thanks for your note. We do not have CA dealers yet. Trying to get a
distributor set up first and hope to have done in January. Already
have18.5" barrels on order so were planning on it soon

Tx
CK
 
Pistol Caliber carbines are great for sport and target shooting, especially if (like me) you are already set up to reload .45 for your handgun.

With the trend of criminals using body armor (or even stacking thick material to lessen bullet impacts), rifle caliber carbines may be more attractive for police forces and such, but for civilians and normal folk, using a pistol caliber carbine is good for target shooting, plinking, gopher hunting (in some cases, as with the N-R CX4's) and even in the "rare" case of home/self defense, most of the time you are not going to be meeting armored criminals, and pistol rounds are going to be quite effective.

The extra barrel length and lower noise, as well as availability of hollow-point ammunition that wont over penetrate are good considerations for home defense.

Of course this is all in theory, YMMV and JMHO and all that stuff :D
 
JPainter said:
+1 for .45ACP sub gun.

Concerning mil/LEO over penetration is a serious concern when deploying .223 carbines in urban and CQB settings. Though the benefits of the fragmentation and hydrolic shock profile of .223 are undisputed. .45 is an excellent option with less likelyhood of overpenetrating a body, or several walls.

I like it.

Jeff
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Check your facts, pistol calibre firearms present serious over penetration issues with regards to both humans and structures.

Clobbersauras said:
The AR in 5.56 is NOT the answer to every problem, as some here would like you to believe.
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You're right, the AR isn't the answer for every problem, but its a better answer than a sub-gun for most. For the situations where a sub-gun excels, there are several better built, lighter weight, proven designs that are more readily supported and chambered in ballistically superior cartridges.

TDC
 
You're comparing frangible rifle ammo to hollow point pistol ammo.

If you were to compare frangible rifle ammo to frangible pistol ammo the pistol should penetrate less than the rifle.
 
Frangible and fragmenting are not the same thing.

5.56 (with the usual velocity caveats) is a fragmenting round. There are a few frangible bullets made, but they still really just curio pieces.

Comparing typical duty ammo between 5.56 and pistol rounds, the 5.56 will not overpenetrate nearly as much as the pistol rounds.
 
ESQ said:
Frangible and fragmenting are not the same thing.

5.56 (with the usual velocity caveats) is a fragmenting round. There are a few frangible bullets made, but they still really just curio pieces.

Comparing typical duty ammo between 5.56 and pistol rounds, the 5.56 will not overpenetrate nearly as much as the pistol rounds.
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The olympic arms test said they used the following:

• Federal’s 40-grain "Blitz" hollow point, 55-grain soft point and 69-grain hollow point; 9mm 147-grain Hydra-Shok, 10mm and .40 S&W 180-grain, jacketed hollow points.
• Winchester’s 55- and 62-grain full metal case, NTO-military spec. rounds.

The lowest penetration was with the "Blitz" round.

Normal 5.56mm ammo will go straight through interior walls. The test refers to brick walls in terms of limiting penetration. Drywall, wood, and aluminum studs will not deform or fragment standard NATO spec 5.56mm.

In fact drywall will hardly stop 12 Gauge birdshot.

Check this page for examples of various rounds penetrating interior walls:

ww.theboxotruth.com

In an area with wood frame houses (no brick walls) pistols and shotguns are a much safer choice in terms of limiting the danger to people in adjacent residences.
 
I read the Oly tests and the HP and SP 5.56 does better than the HP handgun rounds.

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=27

I'll call out this one section:

The following results were obtained:

1. All handgun calibers exited exterior wall #1. This means they exited the "house" after passing through two interior "rooms," then entered another "house" to impact into the berm. The handgun caliber which demonstrated the least penetration was .22 LR Lightning.
2. The only calibers which did NOT exit the "house" were .223 (5.56) soft point and hollow point loaded bullets.
3. All projectiles demonstrated directional changes in their trajectory after passing through the first interior wall. The greatest directional changes (10 inches+ yaw) were shown by 9mm and .40 S&W projectiles.
4. Directional changes in bullet trajectory appeared to increase in magnitude with each test wall the projectile passed through.
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This supports the other tests and studies that I've read regarding pistol overpenetration. But its late and I'll dig them up later.

I don't think LEOs gnerally use FMJ (but I could be wrong).

I'd let them chime in.

I personally wouldn't consider any M193 or M855 for CQB or home defence. Something like TAP or the other HP 5.56 is much better.
 
Can someone ask if it is .45Super friendly?

Better yet... 10mm Auto would be awesome in this thing. I'd get one if Non-Restricted :D
 
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