Full auto isn't terribly threatening when there's no .308 to be had.
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Full auto isn't terribly threatening when there's no .308 to be had.
Being an ex-reservist I'm sad that I can't have an FN. It still makes me giddy just seeing them. I can't believe (as others have said) that they would deny many of us a piece of Cdn military history. I'm one of the boneheads who could have had one back when but didn't get around to it (so no 12(5) for me). Truly sad...now if it was ever to reverse...I'd grab one (or more) pretty darn quick...love that thing!
I'm still waiting on someone to make an FN FAL reproduction, like how there's a few M14 reproductions. They could design it in a way that negates the prohibitive status (like the Czech AK variant, VZ-58).
Really sux. I remember seeing one at a store once, and hearing the good ol' boys from my unit talk about the C1, I really wanted to get one. When I finally got my FAC/RPAL, I realized that the FN FAL was prohibited. It perplexed and pissed me off because I wanted to own one and couldn't for illogical Liberal reasons. I heard one reason that it was prohibited was because it could be made easily in fully automatic. So can an SKS, and it's bloody unrestricted. I suppose the other reason is because the exact same model is/was used by militaries.
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Really sux. I remember seeing one at a store once, and hearing the good ol' boys from my unit talk about the C1, I really wanted to get one. When I finally got my FAC/RPAL, I realized that the FN FAL was prohibited. It perplexed and pissed me off because I wanted to own one and couldn't for illogical Liberal reasons. I heard one reason that it was prohibited was because it could be made easily in fully automatic. So can an SKS, and it's bloody unrestricted. I suppose the other reason is because the exact same model is/was used by militaries.
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The "real" M14's are prohib because they are converted automatics, and since the Norinco/polytech and the springfield ones are made as semi-auto's, they are not prohib.
The CZ 858's are only AK look a likes and share no commonalities with the AK-47 except the fact they both shoot 7.62x39. Almost all AK variants are prohib, I think their is only one non-prohib variant.
The FAL is prohib by name, all variants, weather they be semi-auto only, are prohibited. I asked this very same question, and apparently their is a US manufacturer that makes receivers that are very difficult to convert to full auto, but are still prohib due to th being variants.
I looked into the FAL hoping their was a way around, but no luck. If we want L1A1'a and C1's we have to work at getting them taken off the prohib list, along with all other stupidly prohibited firearms.
The CZ 858's are only AK look a likes and share no commonalities with the AK-47 except the fact they both shoot 7.62x39. Almost all AK variants are prohib, I think their is only one non-prohib variant.
The FAL is prohib by name, all variants, weather they be semi-auto only, are prohibited. I asked this very same question, and apparently their is a US manufacturer that makes receivers that are very difficult to convert to full auto, but are still prohib due to th being variants.
I looked into the FAL hoping their was a way around, but no luck. If we want L1A1'a and C1's we have to work at getting them taken off the prohib list, along with all other stupidly prohibited firearms.
Group? It was actually one person. He still runs the gun show at the RCMP. Why do you think we have the issues we have today with semi-auto?
Waiting for the gun laws to change first, presumably.
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I had a friend of mine buy me a wonderfull little shorty Australian FN many years ago since I didn't have my restricted licence at the time, and it was still in his name when they prohibited it. I only got to fire it once and it still makes me a very sad panda. I'd love to have one.
As for the easily convertable to full auto, it's a .308. Who cares. Other than the legality of it I'd personally be more worried about someone shooting at me with a semi auto than a FA.
As for the easily convertable to full auto, it's a .308. Who cares. Other than the legality of it I'd personally be more worried about someone shooting at me with a semi auto than a FA.
A lot of semi-autos can be converted to full auto. Some with just simple hand tools. I believe the biggest reason certain ones are prohibited and restricted is all due to prejudice and ignorance. No logic whatsoever involved in those classifications. Double standards are the work of the devil.
actually, REAL m14s are not converted automatics, but were SEMI-AUTO FROM THE FACTORY- there was a plastic bag attached to each m14 by a wire which contained a lever and spring- when the crates arrived at the battalion level,the bags were removed by the unit armourer except for those which were destined to become select fire- those rifles then had the kits installed -and the surplus units were returned to depot and eventually surplussed to the general public via various routes- a few years ago they were like 10 bucks for the bits, but you COULDN'T INSTALL them legally
however, the real m14s from isreal have a DIFFERENT story- their SELECTOR SWITCHES were WELDED SHUT so they couldn't pivot, and the roller bearing was GROUND OFF to completely preclude selective fire, even if you could obtain a kit-as the cfc insisted- these rifles were then "importable" and sold as "normal" hunting rifles- ie NON RESTRICTED
however, the cfc changed its mind, and someone noticed that the us considered the m14 as a MACHINE GUN, ( once a machine gun, always a machine gun according to batf) and that's why the real m14 is PROHIBITED- functionally, it's no different than the m1a
however, the real m14s from isreal have a DIFFERENT story- their SELECTOR SWITCHES were WELDED SHUT so they couldn't pivot, and the roller bearing was GROUND OFF to completely preclude selective fire, even if you could obtain a kit-as the cfc insisted- these rifles were then "importable" and sold as "normal" hunting rifles- ie NON RESTRICTED
however, the cfc changed its mind, and someone noticed that the us considered the m14 as a MACHINE GUN, ( once a machine gun, always a machine gun according to batf) and that's why the real m14 is PROHIBITED- functionally, it's no different than the m1a
Interesting, I always though the M14 was select fire from factory.
that's a common misconception- mr tomlinson tried several times to have it removed from the prohibited list on those grounds , but it never got anywhere- i followed the proceedings with great interest as i have 3 of the things - however, until a few years ago before the us decided to restrict all exports of m14 parts, you could concievably make a select fire version by replacing all the parts on the lug-however, the eraly norinco, which has had the lug removed, is NON-RESTICTED
well, the m14s are re-sellable as parts, everything except the receiver itself- lots of guys have re-assembled them using norc or other receivers- and the registration thing was a voluntary anyway, so the government really has no idea how many are out there b/c they were non-restricted at the time-
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I was told by a staffer at the BC CFO at the time that the Feds were worried about Canada being used as a staging base for groups that wanted to go to war with their governments. He worked very hard to not point to the Sikhs. This was also close to the time when the battles at the golden temple were happening, Air India was blown out of the sky over the Atlantic, assassination attempts on Indian dignitaries in Canada, etc. There was an expectation that 1000's of FALs were available worldwide and were being garnered and stockpiled.
I remember thinking at the time that this wasn't necessarily tinfoil hat stuff.
I remember thinking at the time that this wasn't necessarily tinfoil hat stuff.
