Lack of IPSC long gun matches

Why are IPSC long gun matches not common in Canada?

  • Lack of interest

    Votes: 11 22.4%

  • Mag cap limits/prohibition of certain guns

    Votes: 24 49.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 14 28.6%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
NaOH said:
IMHO it's the mag rules that were the biggest problem. The 10 round pistol mags are a huge bonus now. .
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'Not such a big deal really... I mean there are shooters who can compete with a bolt gun up against semi's and still beat 'em.
If you're worried about being fair... divide it into semi and bolt divs.

NaOH said:
Secondly it was the time. As mentioned rifle takes longer to score than pistol and not enough bays to run more than one stage.
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I agree...
Facilities and money are what negate good rifle matches 'round here.... We just don't have ranges and equipment required to hold good rifle matches.
I go to 3-gun combat matches in the states where the club has large multiple ranges which can all be used at once and 99% of the targets are steel... Beautiful... Un-shrouded steel. Scores are time + misses so it's quick
At the three gun I shot yesterday there were 40+ shooters. Match started at 10:00 and by 3:00 we were done. Round counts are typically 200 pistol 100 rifle 5 slugs 50 birdshot and a handfull of 00-buck:D
Bear in mind these matches aren't ipsc... if ipsc is all you want, but any action match is a good action match
 
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Ipsc A Losser Game

Let face it, it's to fake and filled with a bunch of rules that have no bearing on real life situations! Chip up and join IDPA and even better, if you live in Manitoba you can shoot a match every month with MDPL......

The Kernal
 
It's a sport. You want tactics go take a course. You don't want to shoot with rules, or think you are above the rules, go shoot tin-cans.

IDPA is a sport, regardless of the name. When someone shoots back at you, you can call it "real-life".
 
There are other 2 and 3 Gun sports around as well. In Petawawa/Pembroke area we have 2 and 3 gun tactical matches. We carry pistol with the Rifle and shotgun stages and perform transistions when required.

Rather that shoot a particular stage with just rifle, shootie, or pistol we use at least two guns per stage (one long gun and pistol). Since we are carrying two firearms and are doing tactical style shooting we allow fatigues, camo's, load bearring vests, tactical thigh holsters, etc.

Having shot a few 2 gun IPSC matches in NS and NB, I would like to tell everyone that they put on great matches and they have a lot of fun... which is whats it all about... fun. But as few have mentioned above, its takes a bit more to organize and manage. Hats off to all who help out.
 
tootall said:
How would the rifle portion of an IPSC 3 gun event differ or compare to the Tactical rifle matches that are held in BC?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150200
As I understand it, they would be similar, but not identical. IPSC uses a power factor in rifle, just as in pistol, whereas TR does not. Also, we in TR do not use the pepper popper knock down, only small plates. (B-zones)
Any other differences you are aware of?
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Tootall, we'd use pepper poppers if the right kind were available to us ... those at our club are only mild steel. For some strange reason the IPSC guys bent out of shape when their targets are shot by rifles ... ;)

Our b zones are made of tougher stuff and that's why we use them, not because of the size and shape necessarily.
 
THE KERNAL said:
if you live in Manitoba you can shoot a match every month with MDPL......

The Kernal
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Hmmmmmm

Me thinks that IF I did live in Manitoba.........there is not a chance in hell I would try MDPL if you are an indication of the "caliber" of people involved. I sure hope that this is not the case and they are in fact good people.
 
tootall said:
How would the rifle portion of an IPSC 3 gun event differ or compare to the Tactical rifle matches that are held in BC?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150200
As I understand it, they would be similar, but not identical. IPSC uses a power factor in rifle, just as in pistol, whereas TR does not. Also, we in TR do not use the pepper popper knock down, only small plates. (B-zones)
Any other differences you are aware of?
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Looks like I started an interesting discussion...

3-gun matches are great but I've always been keen on IPSC rifle since I used to do it when I lived in Florida. The rules for IPSC rifle do have quite a lot of surprises in them, it's worth reading them. I remember speaking to Tim Andersen about them (IPSC Denmark - he wrote most of it), the PF for minor was designed around an AR-15 with a 16-inch barrel shooting 55gr bullets, he told me. So if you're using an SBR in .223, it probably won't make PF.

The problem we had in the UK was that there are basically no ROs certified for rifle. There are a couple now, but there is always this confusion that it is similar to service rifle, and in fact IPSC rifle is very different - it's basically IPSC pistol with a rifle out to 200m.

I have to say I'm a bit concerned about that comment on the IPSC Canada website about how completing a pistol course means you are okay with rifle and shotgun. I'd be a bit hesitant about assuming that myself. The start positions are obviously a lot different and the handling rules are not obvious because obviously you cannot carry a holstered rifle or shotgun around. If you read the rules I think it says rifles have to be carried muzzle up and shotguns have to be muzzle down. In the UK we racked them on the range muzzle down, you'd carry it to the firing point muzzle down with a chamber flag in.

Does IPSC Canada even do rifle and shotgun RO courses?
 
Gothmog said:
Tootall, we'd use pepper poppers if the right kind were available to us ... those at our club are only mild steel. For some strange reason the IPSC guys bent out of shape when their targets are shot by rifles ... ;)
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That was another comment Tim made to me - you need face-hardened steel for rifle comps. The same as armour-plating, regular mild steel can't handle rifles. I've seen regular pepper poppers in the UK that people have shot with 7.62 and the bullets zip straight through.

We actually ran into a problem with the rifle rules because they say the target has to be calibrated with a 9mm pistol - banned in GB. It was changed after that was pointed out.
 
IDPA is a shooting game too. No more realistic than IPSC. The instant you add rules for equipment and have classifications it becomes a game.
 
Dragoon said:
Re-read http://www.ipsc-canada.org/rif&shot.htm . It states "Certified IPSC Officials are qualified to officiate these matches." To me, that means anyone certified by NROI to officiate can act as an RO at any IPSC match including 3 gun. Perhaps Sean (Freedom Ventures) can elaborate......
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Sure they can officiate. Yes, there's some different rules for Shotgun and Rifle, but I expect that NROI Canada officials are trained well enough that they will endeavor to get themselves current on the long gun rule books before they work at the long gun match.

If and when long gun matches become popular with IPSC in Canada, I'm sure NROI will step up to having some sort of upgrade program for ROs. Until then, we make do.
 
667 said:
'Not such a big deal really... I mean there are shooters who can compete with a bolt gun up against semi's and still beat 'em.
If you're worried about being fair... divide it into semi and bolt divs.
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Easily done too since IPSC rifle has 4 divisions that could be recognized; Semi-Auto Open, Semi-Auto Standard, Manual Action Open and Manual Action Standard.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Easily done too since IPSC rifle has 4 divisions that could be recognized; Semi-Auto Open, Semi-Auto Standard, Manual Action Open and Manual Action Standard.
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Oh F*** it... I say divisions be damned!:D

Nuttin' more entertaining than seeing a guy with a big $$$ AR beat by a guy using a beat up POS enfield jungle carbine:D

Then again my shadenfreude - fu has always been good:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
 
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