Lacqured-case ammo -- anyone shot this?

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Some time back I bought a quantity of the cheaper lacquer-coated casing ammo. I shot a fair amount of it -- no problems. It was accurate (best I can tell) and I never had a FTE or FTF. Then, my buddy told me that when the casings get hot, some of the lacquer coating "melts" off and transfer to the chamber. I have looked at the chamber and I cannot see any residue. But, his warning stopped me from shooting any more of it. Has anyone seen any problems with using this kind of ammo?
 
"Anyone shot this?"
Without exaggeration, millions of rounds have been fired in Canada.
Yes, I have heard that theory, about it melting and sticking.
No, I have not experienced it.
 
tuco the ugly said:
Some time back I bought a quantity of the cheaper lacquer-coated casing ammo. I shot a fair amount of it -- no problems. It was accurate (best I can tell) and I never had a FTE or FTF. Then, my buddy told me that when the casings get hot, some of the lacquer coating "melts" off and transfer to the chamber. I have looked at the chamber and I cannot see any residue. But, his warning stopped me from shooting any more of it. Has anyone seen any problems with using this kind of ammo?
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I bought a bunch of cheap Tula ammo. In my semis I had no problems but after firing 8-10 or so I’m my bolt action I had one stick so bad I needed a rod down the barrel to get it out. Turned me off of it after that.
 
I had 5000+ rounds down one of my rifle and the laqure is a none issue really. Most cleaners will remove it and residie without a issue IF it leaves some. Nothing will stick to oiled metal.
 
tuco the ugly said:
Some time back I bought a quantity of the cheaper lacquer-coated casing ammo. I shot a fair amount of it -- no problems. It was accurate (best I can tell) and I never had a FTE or FTF. Then, my buddy told me that when the casings get hot, some of the lacquer coating "melts" off and transfer to the chamber. I have looked at the chamber and I cannot see any residue. But, his warning stopped me from shooting any more of it. Has anyone seen any problems with using this kind of ammo?
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Yes it happens. But it has to be a lot of rounds, and getting darn hot. if you did 500 rounds of mag dumping, yes it will get gummy inside. Not an issue for me since, I rarely shoot that much rapid fire in a sitting, especially without cleaning. YMMV
 
Happened once to me with the polymer coated Tula ammo in my AR-15, I think it was due to me not cleaning chamber first time I used it.
Happened two more times with newbies shooting my AR and my H&K SL8. They were shooting consistently but very slowly, the heat build up in the barrel had lots of time to transfer to the cartridge eventually causing a casing to stick.
Was easy to remove the stuck casings, I got 3 feet of 3/16" brass rod at Home Depot and mortared the barrel.

When I shoot at a regular speed, its fine, even with long sessions of shooting and a very hot barrel.
 
The reason steel cases stick has nothing to do with the laquer.

The reason is because steel does not expand/contract in the same way brass does and, typically, steel cased ammo tends to be low-cost, low-quality ammo.
 
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The reason steel cases stick has nothing to do with the laquer.

The reason is because steel does not expand/contract in the same way brass does and, typically, steel cased ammo tends to be low-cost, low-quality ammo.
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+1 .

I've shot 1000's of laquer coated surplus, to the point of the barrel smoking and burn your fingers hot. Never had any problems with the chamber being coated with paint. But as always... ymmv.
 
I found with both a 9mm pistol and my xcr that the heavily sealed primers found on surplus-style ammo coat up the firing pin which may slow or even start to stick after a lot of rounds without a proper cleaning. A little break cleaner then usual clp and wipe brought is all back to life.
 
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tuco the ugly said:
Some time back I bought a quantity of the cheaper lacquer-coated casing ammo. I shot a fair amount of it -- no problems. It was accurate (best I can tell) and I never had a FTE or FTF. Then, my buddy told me that when the casings get hot, some of the lacquer coating "melts" off and transfer to the chamber. I have looked at the chamber and I cannot see any residue. But, his warning stopped me from shooting any more of it. Has anyone seen any problems with using this kind of ammo?
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Tens of millions of people have been killed just fine by lacquer-coated ammo. It's a non-issue.
 
tuco the ugly said:
Some time back I bought a quantity of the cheaper lacquer-coated casing ammo. I shot a fair amount of it -- no problems. It was accurate (best I can tell) and I never had a FTE or FTF. Then, my buddy told me that when the casings get hot, some of the lacquer coating "melts" off and transfer to the chamber. I have looked at the chamber and I cannot see any residue. But, his warning stopped me from shooting any more of it. Has anyone seen any problems with using this kind of ammo?
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That ammo is no good, better send them to me for disposal I will pay for Canpar fees.
 
ive had lacquer build up stop a round from ejecting on a used rifle i bought. it took a rod down the barrel to remove the empty casing, i cleaned the chamber and never had a problem since. if you dont care about your gun rustingb: and you dont clean it after every use, clean the chamber once in a wile and you will never have a problem.
 
I shot 500 rounds of Czech, as fast as I could reload the mag with strippers, through my first CZ-858 one day. It got hot and I had to throw on a glove because I kept burning my left hand on the rifle. Not one failure or single issue. Always cleaned with a kettle of water down the barrel, and a lube, after every range session with it. Thousands of rounds later, still never had a single stoppage.
 
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ive had lacquer build up stop a round from ejecting on a used rifle i bought. it took a rod down the barrel to remove the empty casing, i cleaned the chamber and never had a problem since. if you dont care about your gun rustingb: and you dont clean it after every use, clean the chamber once in a wile and you will never have a problem.
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It wasn't the lacquer that gummed things up. It was the carbon that blows by the case mouth and fouls the chamber.
 
Tulammo is a special case, they simply are bad.

Lots of problems for many people that I found when I searched for it, with both .223 and .308. I had 2 cases sticking in my M305 which lead to FTE where the bottom of the case cracked on one round, and was completely ripped of on another and it took a lot of fiddling and force to get the stuck case out. Plus a really intense scare for me at the range with all the gaz that blew back at me and the bottom of the mag flying out...

The M305 never shot more than 80 rounds per range trip and I often switch between rifles...

On another note, never had any problem with lacquered Barnaul in .223 and .308 nor with Czech x39.
 
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