Lakefield Mark II light primer strikes

Crazy Chaingun

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Hello all,

I'm fixing up a Lakefield Mark II for a friend of mine.
It has a real bad problem with light primer strikes, pretty much won't fire at all, unless you hit the same spot on the primer twice.

Has anyone else here had this problem?

I suspect its a bolt/firing pin issue, but I'm not exactly sure what could be causing it.
I'm gonna clean it out thoroughly tomorrow, but I think that this has already been done to the rifle recently.

Any advice you have would be appreciated.
 
Take the bolt completely apart and check for broken firing pin, main spring and dirt in the track the firing pin travels. Flush it out really well. I've seen a few bolts where dirt built up in the front end of the firing pin was slowing the movement of the pin down enough it would leave a light strike mark on the brass.. Pipe cleaners work well for scrubbing these areas out. Could also be gummed up from old oil/lube as well.
Scott...
 
Any advice on how to take this bolt apart?

It's not like the newer savage mark II bolt, this one is quite different (really old lakefield?).
I can't find any videos online about how to do this, they're all for the newer savage/lakefield guns.
 
Crazy Chaingun said:
Any advice on how to take this bolt apart?

It's not like the newer savage mark II bolt, this one is quite different (really old lakefield?).
I can't find any videos online about how to do this, they're all for the newer savage/lakefield guns.
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This should be all you need. Open link and click on Lakefield Mark ii. It goes through the whole process. Has lots of pictures so very easy to follow.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=G7O...epage&q=Lakefield M2 bolt disassembly&f=false
 
Archer Sam said:
Take the bolt completely apart and check for broken firing pin, main spring and dirt in the track the firing pin travels. Flush it out really well. I've seen a few bolts where dirt built up in the front end of the firing pin was slowing the movement of the pin down enough it would leave a light strike mark on the brass.. Pipe cleaners work well for scrubbing these areas out. Could also be gummed up from old oil/lube as well.
Scott...
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I picked one up from a farm auction once, the firing pin channel was absolutely packed with grease and dirt, similar issues until it was cleaned up. I wish you luck, they're a really decent 22.
 
Hmmm... still not right, the bolt I have is different than the one in the link Archer Sam posted.

I will try put up some pictures today, maybe that will help.
 
Crazy Chaingun said:
Here are a few pictures from my webcam (hence the junk in the background)

Is anyone familiar with this style of bolt?




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She looks to be a lefty? See the small pin to the rear of the bolt handle in the bottom picture. I think that will need to be drifted out to take it apart. Let me look a nd see if I can find anything else.
Scott...
 
Archer Sam said:
She looks to be a lefty? See the small pin to the rear of the bolt handle in the bottom picture. I think that will need to be drifted out to take it apart. Let me look a nd see if I can find anything else.
Scott...
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Not lefty, bit of an optical illusion there, the gun is a regular right-handed bolt action.

I was thinking about that pin too, it looks as if it is part of the little circular knob in the top picture.

Let me know if you find anything else, I'm a little weirded out by this gun.
I've never seen another mark II bolt like this.
 
Archer Sam said:
Can you post a picture of the barrel showing the model stamping?
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I'll have to conscript someone with a camera to get a picture, my webcam won't show that detail very well.

The exact wording on the barrel is: "Mark II repeater 22 cal. L. R."
Then below that line: "Made by Lakefield Arms Ltd. Lakefield Ontario"

At first glance, there is no serial number on this gun.
 
Crazy Chaingun said:
Here are a few pictures from my webcam (hence the junk in the background)

Is anyone familiar with this style of bolt?
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That doesn't look anything like the bolt on my older Savage Mk.II, which I was under the impression was just a continuation of the Lakefield rifles. It also doesn't resemble any of the other bolts in my rimfire collection.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
That doesn't look anything like the bolt on my older Savage Mk.II, which I was under the impression was just a continuation of the Lakefield rifles. It also doesn't resemble any of the other bolts in my rimfire collection.

Mark
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I know, It's really got me confused.

Do you think it's possible that this bolt is from another gun altogether?
It's quite sticky when the action is worked, not at all smooth.
The trigger pull feels funny too.
 
Looks similar to mine.Clamp the front half in a vice,pull back on the part with the handle and you'll see a nut,not sure what size,just loosen the nut.
 
Crazy Chaingun said:
Not lefty, bit of an optical illusion there, the gun is a regular right-handed bolt action.

I was thinking about that pin too, it looks as if it is part of the little circular knob in the top picture.

Let me know if you find anything else, I'm a little weirded out by this gun.
I've never seen another mark II bolt like this.
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I have e found other Mark 2 gun pics with the same bolt. I think it was the earlier production models. If I can not find what I am looking for this I will get you the info when I am at my buddies next weekend. He has a lot of disassembly books or will likely know how it comes apart. Just be patient. The info is out there.
Scott....
 
OP, just as a thought have you tried soaking the bolt in varsol or paint thinner overnight? Before stripping it I would do that and then work the bolt components around while it is still wet with the solvent, then blow dry with compressed air. That may degunk it enough to clean up the problem without having to strip it to pieces. If it doesn't work then you are back to stripping the bolt completely. If you want to tear everything down anyway, just ignore the idea...


Mark
 
Same bolt as in my Lakefield Mark II. my gun is serialed under 38,000. Stamped just Lakefield but my Mark I and Mark III are serialed less in number and stamped Lf/ Moss. using up old parts stock maybe.
 
Thumper 69 - Yes that bolt looks to be the same construction as mine, good to know.
I've tried sticking it in the vise, and pulling back, bit there's no nut there that I can see.
If it's not too much to ask, could you post a picture of the bolt showing this nut?
If you don't have time I understand, I'm just pretty curious on how to get this thing apart.

I guess this is just some kind of really old variant, I checked for a serial number, didn't find any.
I also tried to insert the bolt from my mom's old mark II (visibly different bolt) and it didn't fit.
So it stands to reason that this is the correct bolt, it just needs some love.

mmattockx - Yes, I was thinking of using a solvent bath, but I was hoping to completely strip the bolt.
If it looks like taking the bolt apart is going to be a total pain, I might just go ahead and use the solvents.

Archer Sam - By all means, if you have access to some instructions, post them up.
Even if I just decide to use solvents, it'll be good to have the information at a later date.

Thanks so much to everyone who has posted here, this thing has had me really stumped. :)
 
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