If you are shooting competitions perhaps, but most of us are not entering formal competition.
Lapua brass. Prep???
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If you are shooting competitions perhaps, but most of us are not entering formal competition.
If Jerry has guided your purchases I suspect you will get the 1/2 MOA!
On getting the bullets going faster, the best sure way would be to place an order with Jerry for a 28" barrel. Or you could order a copy of QuickLoad, and try all the various powders in the computer. However, what I think you will find is that what produces the best velocity out of a 28" barrel will produce the best out of a 20" barrel. It is just going to be slower, and there is no real way around it. You pay in velocity for a short barrel. Quickload will tell you how much you are losing.
I would suggest H4350 (Hodgdon, not IMR) is likely your best powder. It is temperature insensitive. Varget perhaps a bit too slow. RL 15 may be a touch fast. RL 17 would likely be better, but the RL powders are temperature sensitive. It depends somewhat on the bullets you want to shoot.
The Accurate Shooter 6.5x47 Lapua Cartridge Guide will give you a lot of good information on how to load the cartridge.
Use this calculator to select your bullet, and expected muzzle velocity. It will tell bullet speed vs distance. Depending on elevation the sound barrier changes, but is about 1100 fps. Bullets can get in trouble in the transonic range which is faster than sonic.
If your plan is to shoot in a PRS type competition from a magazine, you might want to consider this new Berger 6.5 MM 130 gr AR Hybrid OTM Tactical bullet. It is designed for long distance performance, but still fit in a magazine, and allow more room for powder in a small cartridge like the 6x47.
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But what do you do with the rest of your time??
I blinked and 2 more pages of replies...wow.
No argument to that stubble. (I may even be approaching that point...
however...) I may be the odd ball here but my take on neck turning and reloading diligence is about removing as much doubt as I can about the rounds that have been made when I'm at the range and while hunting. The consistency in creating the ammunition tells me that when rounds aren't producing clover leafs that it's something else, most probable is my poor marksmanship on that day.
A good process has control points and measurement points for feedback. Eliminating as many variables as I can is one aspect of shooting that I can control.
I'm not saying OCD case prep makes me better but it's the added confidence that does. Perhaps there are others that think the same way. Myself, I wouldn't discourage anybody from trying to improve and eliminate variability. FWIW my cases aren't uber shiny either. In this case if the OP wishes to try it, there are cost effective options presented and he'll make up his own mind if it works.
I know you are not discouraging anybody and just sharing your experience which is good for the op. Just wanted to illustrate another perspective that's not into competition shooting (yet) and is really trying to optimize shooting groups for bragging rights and quick humane kills in the field.
Thank you Peter for sharing and clarifying.
Back to the original programming folks. Good post to bring on track. Apologies OP for taking this into the weeds at points but kept adding for some different perspective.
Regards
Ron
No argument to that stubble. (I may even be approaching that point...
however...) I may be the odd ball here but my take on neck turning and reloading diligence is about removing as much doubt as I can about the rounds that have been made when I'm at the range and while hunting. The consistency in creating the ammunition tells me that when rounds aren't producing clover leafs that it's something else, most probable is my poor marksmanship on that day. A good process has control points and measurement points for feedback. Eliminating as many variables as I can is one aspect of shooting that I can control.
I'm not saying OCD case prep makes me better but it's the added confidence that does. Perhaps there are others that think the same way. Myself, I wouldn't discourage anybody from trying to improve and eliminate variability. FWIW my cases aren't uber shiny either.
In this case if the OP wishes to try it, there are cost effective options presented and he'll make up his own mind if it works. I know you are not discouraging anybody and just sharing your experience which is good for the op. Just wanted to illustrate another perspective that's not into competition shooting (yet) and is really trying to optimize shooting groups for bragging rights and quick humane kills in the field.
Thank you Peter for sharing and clarifying.
Back to the original programming folks. Good post to bring on track. Apologies OP for taking this into the weeds at points but kept adding for some different perspective.
Regards
Ron
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Pretty sure you, me and the OP are not in that category so all that prep work is purely educational.
Exactly what I was getting at in asking WTF is small group.
Akin to "How do I get rich?" "Buy low, sell high"
You prove the point in that until one is specific on what is a small group and if it achievable by the firearm and shooter all this prep may simply be a waste of time. Folks need to be specific and measurable to determine if the goal is achievable or exercise in futility.
Not sure if you're saying that me and the OP aren't capable of competition level shooting, but if you are, please speak for yourself.....and I won't speak for you.
I think this is the second time this week I've stated this....
GGG
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I haven't either (yet), but not one time have I shot a group, or a round of clays, and then said "meh, good enough....".
I have a better idea, winter cold weather is upon us so I would suggest fire forming your brass in the morning and have a hot breakfast.
COW is for babies and harder to scrape off the ceiling and walls.
Just remember if you do use the COW method of fire forming to "NOT" stand behind the cow.
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After you guys have finally completed all these steps, do you look at your box of 50 or 100 newly minted, ultra precise, shiny rounds like a proud dad???....even though they look the same as any others???
Just wondering if I'm the only crazy one.
GGG
Just wondering if I'm the only crazy one.
GGG
I shoot more,. In the spring and summer I spend time shooting ground squirrels, skeet and sporting clays. In the winter, I shoot coyotes, skeet, and load shotshells for the following spring. In the fall, I hunt upland birds and big game. I would rather be out hunting or shooting than spending my extra time prepping cases.
Yup, Much rather spend the time out there shooting and fishing than prepping case. In particular when it is likely more an exercise in education than doing any real world good but hey for those that enjoy case prepping go for it.
Good luck when you finally get to competition and all that prep work pays off.
Good luck when you finally get to competition and all that prep work pays off.
Suspect you won't be happy with 1/2 MOA for long. Sounds like your setup should be <1/2. Doesn't Jerry's world start at 1/2MOA and likely less.
Why did you go 6.5x47? I went 260Rem for Lapua brass and Tikka CTR comes in 260. Today I might have gone 6.5CM with Lapua coming out with that brass in Jan.
Why did you go 6.5x47? I went 260Rem for Lapua brass and Tikka CTR comes in 260. Today I might have gone 6.5CM with Lapua coming out with that brass in Jan.
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1/2 MOA way the heck out there. My job will be done when he can report 1/2 MOA from 600 to 1000yds.
The cartridge is more then capable... if he is willing to put in the effort. Pretty sure he will have a very well built rifle too so ... no excuses
Hitting pop cans and clay pigeons out to 1000yds is no longer just a hope... call the wind, and you will hit them.
THAT is worth the effort for me... but it certainly is not for everyone.
Regardless, hope that everyone gets their rig shooting to the levels they are happy with and just have a ton of fun burning powder.
Enjoy...
Jerry
Mystic Precision
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1/2 MOA way the heck out there. My job will be done when he can report 1/2 MOA from 600 to 1000yds.
The cartridge is more then capable... if he is willing to put in the effort. Pretty sure he will have a very well built rifle too so ... no excuses
Hitting pop cans and clay pigeons out to 1000yds is no longer just a hope... call the wind, and you will hit them.
THAT is worth the effort for me... but it certainly is not for everyone.
Regardless, hope that everyone gets their rig shooting to the levels they are happy with and just have a ton of fun burning powder.
Enjoy...
Jerry
For F class, the V or X ring is 1/2 MOA at 900m or 1000yds respectively. To have a chance to hit that circle with any level of reliability, your set up needs to agg smaller. The Tech in F class is at a level where any top quartile OPEN rifle can mechanically clean that Center ring (yep, 15 to 20rds INSIDE that 1/2 MOA circle)... Top quartile FTR rifles are right on their heels... I believe the current NRA record for FTR is 200-14X (maybe 16X). That is a 308 shot of a bipod and rear bag.
I've had some good advice from Jerry and you guys here.
But in the end,all the parts were my choice. Now it's all in Insites hands.
I chose the 47 because of what I read. I think it has a small edge on the 260 and the CM.
I won't be doing any comps as there's none around here for me to do.
I like shooting groups and I like accurate guns, I've tryed the rem,savage,tikka and I didn't like them.
So I decide I wanted this rig.
I'm no expert shot,but I can get my XCR-L shooting sub MOA. So I should be able to do all right with this build.
My plan is to start at a 100 and work out to 400.
Until I can find a spot for more distance .
Oh ,I plan on shooting a moose with it next fall
But in the end,all the parts were my choice. Now it's all in Insites hands.
I chose the 47 because of what I read. I think it has a small edge on the 260 and the CM.
I won't be doing any comps as there's none around here for me to do.
I like shooting groups and I like accurate guns, I've tryed the rem,savage,tikka and I didn't like them.
So I decide I wanted this rig.
I'm no expert shot,but I can get my XCR-L shooting sub MOA. So I should be able to do all right with this build.
My plan is to start at a 100 and work out to 400.
Until I can find a spot for more distance .
Oh ,I plan on shooting a moose with it next fall
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I bet Insite won't even tell you that rifle is done until they've test shot it well under 1/2MOA. I've seen some of Furtaker's groups, and he's not a guy I'd challenge to a shoot off.....
I just checked the temp where you live, -27°C / -17°F so stop digging and go inside, I think your brain is freezing.
