actually he is right...i was using nosler brass. not that it has anything to do with the topic at hand. just thought i would offer that up in his defence that he isn't always bull####tin
Lapua vs. 338 RUM
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actually he is right...i was using nosler brass. not that it has anything to do with the topic at hand. just thought i would offer that up in his defence that he isn't always bull####tin
338 Lapua forces you to purchase high quality, consistent, longer lasting brass
Rem Ultra will allow you to use Rem junk brass.
This was all my fault. I should have never called the junk brass junk in the first place. Gunboy, I have never sold a piece of brASS in my life. I give it up freely.
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Good info here just needs some wading through. Thanks guys, I've been wondering about the different .338s.
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I imagine that the mods will be in shortly to clean up the thread. This frequently happens when GunBoy chimes in. 9 pages later and the good info is swallowed up by the knowledgeable guys venting their frustration, albeit in a humorous manner.
Bottom line is that there is only minor difference between the RUM and Lapua in relation to their actual performance. the RUM has the advantage of being available in a standard remington RUM action where the Lapua needs a bigger, usually (but not always) custom action. RUM brass is cheaper but some people have questioned the quality out of the box. The Lapua brass is pricier but users claim exceptional case life.
If you're building a rifle the nod may well go to the Lapua as you will spend a bunch of money getting action work done to a factory Rem to get it to the same spec as an aftermarket action. From there your costs - barrel, trigger, stock, rings, bases and scope, are all equal. So in the end what it boils down to is the difference in the cost and quality of brass. If you don't mind doing intensive brass prep, there's nothing to argue against the RUM. If you want minimal brass prep (perhaps you live in a climate that hasn't got a severe winter and you have no time to prep brass because you shoot all the time - Yes BC people, I'm looking at you!) then the Lapua may save you time and energy.
Coin toss. Call it in the air...
Bottom line is that there is only minor difference between the RUM and Lapua in relation to their actual performance. the RUM has the advantage of being available in a standard remington RUM action where the Lapua needs a bigger, usually (but not always) custom action. RUM brass is cheaper but some people have questioned the quality out of the box. The Lapua brass is pricier but users claim exceptional case life.
If you're building a rifle the nod may well go to the Lapua as you will spend a bunch of money getting action work done to a factory Rem to get it to the same spec as an aftermarket action. From there your costs - barrel, trigger, stock, rings, bases and scope, are all equal. So in the end what it boils down to is the difference in the cost and quality of brass. If you don't mind doing intensive brass prep, there's nothing to argue against the RUM. If you want minimal brass prep (perhaps you live in a climate that hasn't got a severe winter and you have no time to prep brass because you shoot all the time - Yes BC people, I'm looking at you!) then the Lapua may save you time and energy.
Coin toss. Call it in the air...
Good Summary BUM, and somewhere way back before the on-line anal fixation overtook what was a legitimate question, I think I expressed pretty much the same thing.
as to the BC comment, Well, not all of us BCers are Latte-swilling yuppies with 4X4 SUV's that have never tackled anything more off-road than a speed bump... My 'neighbourhood' looks like this for 5 months of the year
as to the BC comment, Well, not all of us BCers are Latte-swilling yuppies with 4X4 SUV's that have never tackled anything more off-road than a speed bump... My 'neighbourhood' looks like this for 5 months of the year
I too am a fan of the Lapua and Norma brass, alas my wallet is not! I do use it for several calibers, however, when I'm looking to eliminate as many variables as possible in order to yield the absolute best accuracy I'm capable of.
Probably the only complaint I have about "Lapua" is how to pronounce the damn name!
I've always pronounced it "Lap-waah" and a Finnish buddy of mine says I'm saying it correctly. Everyone else I encounter always call it "La-poo-ah."
Lap waah is the correct pronunciation.
Now, to get back to the original question..........is there any actual real-life velocity and accuracy differences in rifles of identical make and barrel quality?
I realize that velocities can vary considerably between barrels of same make and quality, but overall is there a consensus as to which is the most accurate cartridge?
Ted
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as to the BC comment, Well, not all of us BCers are Latte-swilling yuppies with 4X4 SUV's that have never tackled anything more off-road than a speed bump... My 'neighbourhood' looks like this for 5 months of the year
You've got to admit though...Chase is pretty choice country. Nicer than up here where the window between "Winter" and "Bugs" is rather short. I was going to single out Jerry as living in particularly sweet country, but was afraid the Van-Islanders would feel left out.
If it isn't a "Fort", "Lake" or "Creek" you're doing pretty well in BC.
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Now, to get back to the original question..........is there any actual real-life velocity and accuracy differences in rifles of identical make and barrel quality?
I realize that velocities can vary considerably between barrels of same make and quality, but overall is there a consensus as to which is the most accurate cartridge?
Ted
Same barrel maker and length, same action, trigger and built out of ATRS...Well buddy, You pick one and I'll take the other.
for sure i would...not even think twice about it. man what i wouldn't give for some lapua 280!!! i was merely adding a little spice to the conversation and pointing out that GB was right on his comment of my brass usage. besides i have a hard time not posting on these threads that go on and on.....and on
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Now, to get back to the original question..........is there any actual real-life velocity and accuracy differences in rifles of identical make and barrel quality?
I realize that velocities can vary considerably between barrels of same make and quality, but overall is there a consensus as to which is the most accurate cartridge?
Ted
Having built many of both, so assuming the same care in the build and the same components are used, the variation in velocity is under 100 fps and again that MAY well just be barrel tolerance variation.
As for accuracy differences, IF 1 were to do all the brass prep to the Remington junk so as that it is a close to the quality of Lapua brass I have found the accuracy to be about equal.
i have had good luck with the nosler brass actually, i used to load the 162 a max at 3000 and never had any primer pockets issues after 5 reloads, i am now using the same brass and moving the 180's at 2950 and am starting to see the primer pockets open to the point they are not usable, keep in mind this is 7 plus loadings on the nosler. no doubt the lapua is stronger, but is not an option for me and the 280. the nosler is very consistent in weight and the necks are quite consistent as well....as consistent as the lapua.
Lap waah is the correct pronunciation.
Now, to get back to the original question..........is there any actual real-life velocity and accuracy differences in rifles of identical make and barrel quality?
I realize that velocities can vary considerably between barrels of same make and quality, but overall is there a consensus as to which is the most accurate cartridge?
Ted
No real life difference, and given the same care of reloading and equal shooters, no difference in accuracy either. - dan
Why not? said:Now, to get back to the original question..........is there any actual real-life velocity and accuracy differences in rifles of identical make and barrel quality?
I realize that velocities can vary considerably between barrels of same make and quality, but overall is there a consensus as to which is the most accurate cartridge?
Ted
Same barrel maker and length, same action, trigger and built out of ATRS...Well buddy, You pick one and I'll take the other.
Thanks guys! That is sort of what I expected.
So........to further hijack this thread, if a guy wanted a really cheap long range 338 Magnum, would a Rem 700 SPS in 338 RUM, rechambered to an Edge do the trick?
Ted
