Large caliber Luger proto?

cantom said:
But it has GL stamped on it? (Georg Luger?)
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I'm pretty sure it's not George Luger.
Why on earth would anyone want to replicate a Luger in any way in the midst of WW2?
So many better mechanisms available, that require so much less machining ( and work so much better too ).
Still neat, but short of a time machine...this enigma will remain as such I'd guess....
 
The GL M stamped on this pistol is a different font than the fancy script of the intertwined "GL" initials used by George Luger.

Interesting what ever it turns out to be, thanks for posting.
 
tokguy said:
I'm pretty sure it's not George Luger.
Why on earth would anyone want to replicate a Luger in any way in the midst of WW2?
So many better mechanisms available, that require so much less machining ( and work so much better too ).
Still neat, but short of a time machine...this enigma will remain as such I'd guess....
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Maybe it's from ww1 era? Could still have been found during ww2 but was stored?
 
I got a good reply from another Forum with a scan showing a similar action apparently used in a 1905 Ross pistol. I am trying to find more about this particular action, firing mechanism and who was involved. Here's the scan.
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selling4dad said:
I got a good reply from another Forum with a scan showing a similar action apparently used in a 1905 Ross pistol. I am trying to find more about this particular action, firing mechanism and who was involved. Here's the scan.
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That's awesome! A Ross Pistol eh? Too bad it's not complete.
 
That is why that gun never showed up at the 1907 trials, he could never make it work. The mystery surrounding this prototype is quickly getting clearer and interesting. The gun is manufactured according to this Ross patent:https://www.google.com/patents/US954543 I can't prove that yet but it looks like Ross was invited to present a 45 ACP handgun but he could never finish it. The funny looking bit sticking out the back of the posted schematic above is actually a bolt return spring that isn't necessary as the bolt return is accomplished by a spring in the frame in a more traditional way on this gun.

This piece is one of the steps made by Ross's team to present a 45 ACP handgun to the US army in 1907, they could never make it work but this is the gun.

I love the internet ;-)
 
Please read the book quote in post 8. It even references the initials GL.

edit: I read the posts after mine. Fancy initials, Ross patent...hmmm, not sure.


tokguy said:
I'm pretty sure it's not George Luger.
Why on earth would anyone want to replicate a Luger in any way in the midst of WW2?
So many better mechanisms available, that require so much less machining ( and work so much better too ).
Still neat, but short of a time machine...this enigma will remain as such I'd guess....
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Hello there, not sure what you are trying to communicate with your last post Canton.
Have you look at that patent? This prototype was made using this patent.
It was a design dead end I couldn't really worked. It is a Ross handgun. I find it hard to believe that it was found in a German factory though, so I can't see how that could have happened. Never the less, when I looked at the patent, there is an angle that is described between the horizontal plane and the rear of the gun. I looked back at the gun and there is an angle in there, so I am convinced that the gun was made according to those drawings. Now was it actually made by Ross?

I have no idea what the GL and M initials are from, and I should probably post again without any mention of Lugger as it isn't one and unrelated to Georg Luger. But it would be very interesting to know who was working with Ross at the time. I could find very little concerning Ross and printed material is needed to find more answers.

You seem to be a respected member here with high score and loads of posts,find who those initials are from ;-).

Thank you for your comments.
 
Some years ago I did a back room tour of the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. At one point I was handed a smallish clear plastic nag with a number of parts in it and was told this was a prototype Ross semi auto pistol. I am wondering if it would be worth contacting the museum.
 
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